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marvthegrate LtG KEA Posted Jun 17, 2002
Thanks for that kind thought Courtesy. The surgery frightens me a bit, but I know it is overdue. I am tired of having my legs stop working. If all goes well I may recover fully quickly
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FG Posted Jun 17, 2002
Perhaps, then, I am not as wise now that I am lacking the necessary teeth.
The term apartheid--the best and most recent example being South Africa--implies that Israel is herding all non-Jews into designated areas and systematically depriving them of their rights. To my knowledge there are just as many Israeli Palestinians as there are those in the West Bank or other cordoned areas. Mind you, I am not excusing in any way the violation of human rights. I merely am trying to stress that there is a difference and any usage of the term "apartheid" mislabels the situation.
Palestinians who choose to be Israeli citizens can participate fully in the political process. Those who are in the disputed areas have chosen to create their own nation, their own laws, and their own representative body--which I completely support as well. A breakaway nation is never treated kindly--just look at the Chechens.
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dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC Posted Jun 17, 2002
Gool luck with the surgery Marv.
GL, I know too many people who are struggling with their weight to believe that being thin is a choice. Certainly some people can control their weight through diligent exercise and careful diet, but others in extreme circumstances have to have their stomachs stapled before they can lose weight. A normal meal for one person can be a disaster for another due to differences in metabolism.
And since the general evolutionary shape of the human skull has been a decrease in jaw size while the cranium enlarges, I tell all my dates that the lack of wisdom teeth makes for a bigger brain cavity. It's at that point that they usually say something like "so call me when you get the cavity filled"
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soeasilyamused, or sea Posted Jun 17, 2002
d'E! well, i'm jealous that you never had wisdom teeth. i'm going to have to have mine removed this summer.
marv. hope the surgery goes well, and hope they can fix things.
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Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) Posted Jun 17, 2002
*sits up from where she has been napping on the sofa and finds fresh waiting for her*
Hullo, all!
Courtesy! Long time no type. I've missed you.
Marv, dear, I know how you feel and I'm here for you.
T! Good to see your name.
Wisdom teeth aren't so bad, sea. Or should I say sei? Either way, just remember no straws for about a month after its done.
*sips *
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dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC Posted Jun 17, 2002
sea, better that you get them removed than they get impacted.
And we have noticed the World Cup over here - it made the headlines this morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/17/sports/17CND-USA.html
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Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) Posted Jun 17, 2002
to the World Cup.
Oh, and d'E, I would argue that your brain cavity is already well filled. Perhaps with tapioca pudding, but well filled nonetheless.
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marvthegrate LtG KEA Posted Jun 17, 2002
d'E, my mother underwent that procedure you talk about 10 years ago. It is called a gastric bypass, and it had very mixed results, the best of which being the loss of a great deal of weight when it was very much needed, the worst of which was a trip back into surgery to fix a seam that the doc missed causing massive internal bleeded. All in all it was a good thing however because they were able to find the kidney cancer that they were not expecting to see at that time.
A gastric bypass basically makes your stomach (normally the size of an american football) much smaller (about the size of a baseball) so you it will not hold as much. This lets your body use it's fat reserves much faster, but it is not a very successfull procedure from what I know.
I myself have a weight problem exacerbated by the fact that my knees will not hold up to do the only excersize that I actually enjoy, cycling. This is only going to make my knee problem worse as the extra weight I carry around is hard on my weight bearing joints. I will never go to the gastric bypass as a solution however. Many class action lawsuits are popping up over the procedure.
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FG Posted Jun 17, 2002
Speaking as someone who has battled a weight problem since puberty I can say in all honesty that I have tried everything and have found that while some diets and exercise lead to immediate results, long term change is never successful. My body just seems to pack it back on again, no matter how I change my behavior.
I wonder why I can never lose a large amount of weight successfully. Then I look at the women I take after, all on my father's side of the family. It's spooky how much we look alike with our coloring, facial features, and body types--the dark, stocky Alsatian/Bavarian. One notable event was when my cousin Janie, who weighted 300 pounds easily (btw, I'm not anywhere near that!) went on an all-lettuce diet. She ate nine heads of lettuce in one setting.
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Gw7en, Voice of Chaos (Classic) Posted Jun 18, 2002
My weight is actually dropping now that I've moved to SLC. I'm out of a very stressful, unhealthy situation and eating much more healthily - even if I haven't been exercising as faithfully as I should be...
*sips *
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Courtesy38 Posted Jun 18, 2002
Gwen -
Thanks, it's nice to be missed.
As for the apartheid(sp?) of Israel, I would have to say that the definition given fits what I see. It seems to me, and I admit that my only knowledge comes from news and print media, that Isreal is forcing the palestinians into camps, granted they are not encirled, but they are camps none the less.
When Israel limits access to individuals based on their national origin, that's when I have a problem with the justifications.
If anyone can shed light on the whole camp thing, please do.
Courtesy
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SE Posted Jun 18, 2002
My low-carb diet is working for me so far. 80 pounds gone and only a small battle to go (11 pounds left). I've been keeping it off since about October, so we shall see what I look like in another year.
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Courtesy38 Posted Jun 18, 2002
Congrats Sporky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm about 50 lbs over what I would like to be, probably about 30 over what is realistic for a 31 year old.
My brother and I just started training for the LA marathon, and I'm hoping that along with a good diet, I'll get where I want to be, or at least away from where I am now.
courtesy
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marvthegrate LtG KEA Posted Jun 18, 2002
Good luck, Courtesy.
I have not stuck with any diet ever. The only thing I had going for me for a long time was that I rode my mountain bike almost everywhere. I am going to have this surgery to try to make it so I can cycle again comfortably. If that works i will then start cycling 30 minutes a day. If I can keep that up for a while I can start cycling an hour a day. That is how I built up my massive leg musles in teh first place. The strength of my legs was all that allowed me to funciton halfway normally, compensating somewhat for the pain in teh joints. I will be able to tell you a lot more in about two weeks I guess. If I can cycle, then i will try to get controll of my weight problem.
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Sol Posted Jun 18, 2002
It is good that things are moving regarding your knees, Marv. Good luck with the proceedures.
For me it's swimming though. I used to swim a lot which seemed to have absolutely no effect on my actual weight, but meant I was at least toned. Now the daft hours I work, coupled with a number of other factors mean that I do no swimming at all.
What I found most galling of all, growing up, was that my bestest freind would (and still does) eat huge quantities of food, and she is still really thin (with exercise, it has to be admitted). Ah well.
I do appreciate that the shift in preferring a slimmer figure could be in some way connected to the physical eveolutionary process in the sense that plentiful food supplies mean that thinness is both sensible and something which those in control of their lives can in many ways acheive better. Especially interesting in this regard is the fact that it isn't just out and out thinness which is required, it is toned and uncellulited (etc) thinnes, which after, say, thirty or so is much more difficult to maintain without about 5 hours a day in the gym and unlimited access to surgery.
Compare that with Marylin Monroe, who while not a huge woman, was a size 16 (am) or 18 (br). That's very very recently indeed. You can't buy those sizes in 'fashion' shops now. I still don't accept that it is entirely due to an involuntary evolutionary spasm that stick insect is the preffered shape.
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Coniraya Posted Jun 18, 2002
{[caer csd] Marv, I'm sure the procedure will go well, arthroscopies have been around for over 25 years and have a good treatment record.
I count calories with the aid of my trusty Palm, but a weekend's lapse will see me put 2lbs back on. 1500 cals a day combined with exercise and the weight should fall off, in spite of hypothyroidism. The counting I can do, but the exercise I loathe!
C&i, I didn't check the blog too thoroughly yesterday, I hope it isn't too late to wish you luck}
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Sol Posted Jun 18, 2002
Was about to stick fingers in my ears at the mere mention of calorie counting, but then realised I'm not actually here
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Munchkin Posted Jun 18, 2002
[Munchkin, I call it chubby, my parents call it looking healthy. I do very little exercise these days but I am trying to do a bit of running and stuff just to stop me worrying about what I eat.]
Anyhoo, I look forward to the Germany/USA game, the Germans looked terrible last Saturday, so there might be a chance.
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Candi - now 42! Posted Jun 18, 2002
Caer - thanks for the good luck wish......although I'm not sure I will need it now.... just this morning I've heard from a friend who says he's heard from a friend that the whole thing may be cancelled due to someone from ATV being ill - and I was so looking forward to this gig, too......
I'm exercising madly because in the last few months I've begun to really enjoy it....but I'm eating loads more too, and consequently have gained inches and weight in the past 2 months after losing a fair amount before that......Anyway, at least the exercise is healthy even if my diet may not be. I feel much stronger, fitter and healthier for it so I'm keeping it up!
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