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Warhammer 40,000

Post 121

RadiO

Yeah, I went there. And I agree totally! Saw your entry on GW selling out as well - bet that'll get some feedback.smiley - smileyIt works here!
It's funny... You see people hyper-zealously defending companies like Nintendo, despite them being greedy, money-hungry capitalists who treat European buyers like dog's crap, or Sega, who make really unfeasibly daft business decisions (Remember the MultiMega? Don't worry if you don't). But GW... nobody ever seems to defend them. Ever! Everything connected with GW that isn't official is filled with people slagging them off blind! I think it's great. Fight the Man!


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Post 122

Mike A (snowblind)

Nintendo aren't -quite- as obvious with their moves. They make justifications.
Generally, the people who get involved in debates with computer games (I feel like a granny saying that) tend to be blindingly patriotic over the systems. I know I was smiley - smiley


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Post 123

RadiO

I know the feeling... I just think it's funny that nobody ever puts the same allowances and excuses onto GW. If a game is late, or a peripheral is expensive and basically worthless, there are still really zealous folks who will still defend their company to the death. "It may be incredibly expensive, and a year-and-a-half late, but it's pure quality and better than that Sony/Sega/Nintendo/PC crap!!!". But GW use new "high quality" metal and raise the prices, and does anybody defend them? Hell, no! "It's a bloody shameless rip-off!" shouts everyone and his dog.
But that's because it is.>smiley - smiley


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Post 124

Moonjack

Yah. I admit I'm a Nintendo-and-PC person and eagerly await any slipup Sega may make, but I also respect the Dreamcast as a system and welcome the competition between the platforms. However, when basically the only company out there for high-quality fantasy/sci-fi wargaming starts ripping its customers off, there's something wrong upstairs.


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Post 125

Mike A (snowblind)

Agree with both of you smiley - smiley


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Post 126

RadiO

It's never been as bad as it is now. I remember a time when it was too expensive, but you could bear it grudgingly, because the stuff was good, the magazine was good, the games were good.
Times have changed. The Land Raider is an all-plastic kit, a good one admittedly, but it costs 30 quid. £30 for about 5 mass-produced plastic sprues. How can that be justified? I remember reading in a really old WD about how plastic vehicles were good because they reduced costs and made large vehicles a practical and economic process. With the friggin' corner up! And it's gonna get worse, if anything.
I'm depressed nowsmiley - sadface.


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Post 127

Mike A (snowblind)

£30 plastic?! I thought it was metal!
Now that is simply rape...rape of the customers. I'm not standing for that. Something has to be done. We need to contact GW some way. Complain to the store managers? Doubt they'd do anything. Still, I'm not going to let this continue. I just can't...


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Post 128

RadiO

Yeah, man! Rip the system! Though I'm sad to say that I can't actually think of anything that'll make them stop what they're doing - well, nothing legal anyway. About the only way to stop this kind of shit is to have a mass boycott of GW and its products. But how can you play Warhammer and still do that? And they could maybe get you done for libel for organising something like that. It's a total nightmare. GW have everybody over a barrel, like Microsoftsmiley - sadface.
Well, I'm gonna do what I can: I ain't wasting £30 on that plastic abomination. I've seen it "in the flesh", and it's a nice tank, but no single thing GW does, bar /maybe/ the games, is worth £30. I can't honestly believe many other people will buy the damned thing, either. I could buy Mordheim for 10 quid more than that!


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Post 129

Mike A (snowblind)

Now I know I have read that post before somewhere...

I got a free Chmera off a friend smiley - smiley. He'd assembled it, then smashed it to peices. So yesterday he gave it to me, and I reassembled it. Of course, the back half is slightly mangled, and there's no way it'll pass off as a servicable Imperial Guard tank, so I'm going to paint it up as a wreck.
I searched through my bits box and found enough peices to convert a Warhammer Orc. Add some bits of corpses to my existing (in one peice) Chimera, and now I'm really glad that I stole bits of broken models from Games Day smiley - smiley

Like I said, it is poss to get things on the cheap.


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Post 130

RadiO

GW and pointless greed: it's the conversation that keeps on giving!smiley - winkeye
Seriously though, the situation seems to have got worse since this thread began.
I like free stuff. Only way you can make vehicle wrecks, short of joining GW or robbing a bank...


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Post 131

Mike A (snowblind)

I really want to try and get a message across to them - I can't see how. I guess it's a forlorn hope smiley - sadface

I'd have still preferred to have had a whole Chimera for my army.


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Post 132

RadiO

Well... the Chimera's pretty angular, so you could, /maybe/, rebuild the thing with plasticard, /perhaps/. Depends on how knackered it is, how bothered you would be about it not looking standard, and, most importantly, whether you can be arsed or notsmiley - winkeye. I've gotta admit that I probably couldn't be, if I were in your positionsmiley - smiley.
About the only thing I can think of is writing to GW and telling 'em how you feel. It'd be interesting to see if they send out some kind of ready-made form letter, or something - "Our prices are completely justified, blah blah blaaah".
Damn, I'm cynical.smiley - sadface


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Post 133

Mike A (snowblind)

Yeah, I reckon I could easily repair it with plasticard, but all the detauil would be missing. Would look more like an Ork vehicle...would the Guard stick a hinged sheet of metal to the back of their busted tank to make it serviceable? I guess they would, but I can't be bothered to experiment. Besides, I don't know where to get plasticard.

At a friend's house (Urchin on h2g2), there is a letter pinned to the board on the wall of his bedroom. A letter we wrote to the GW PTB, that he never bothered sending. About quality of White Dwarf and "we want Undead models from different races!". It's old, but the points are still valid. We need to send it.

GW -do- enter correspondance (posh talk). I sent them a letter (in my ignorance) a few years back, about how many models you could have in a regiment, and "can Dwarfs ally with Brettoians". I did it on a typewriter and the guy reading it must have pissed himself!
It was Evan Moss btw. I was so chuffed but I lost his letter smiley - sadface


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Post 134

Avatar

The GW has so much more in its spectrum to do...paticualy about the prices.

I'm running an on-line campaing if any of you are intrested go to

http://www.geocities.com/megaslann/campaign.html

please bare in mind it was only released 4 days ago, so its not got very far yet!


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Post 135

RadiO

Now that's interesting... I may, /may/ be able to contribute to that. I'm probably going to have a big Marine versus Guard barney with a mate of mine. Depends on whether or not I can find that bloody Assault marine...smiley - sadface
That Chimera... maybe you could cover most of the tank with plasticard panels, so the rear ramp wouldn't look out of place. You could tell folk it had advanced add-on armour, or something. Just an idea...smiley - winkeyeAs for getting plasticard, it's a real sodomite. I have to go to a town 30 miles from my house to get the stuff. So I don't, very often.smiley - sadface


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Post 136

Mike A (snowblind)

Hey Avatar, that thing's really cool. Expect an email from me at some point, I'm interested in this (methinks this forum is not the place for it - too big!)

Jimmi...howsabout you fight for Prime and I'll scrap with my Guardsmen for Secundus smiley - winkeye

As for the Chimera...I think I'll leave it as it is smiley - smiley


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Post 137

RadiO

Yeah! Sod that missing guy, I'll do it. All I need to do now is get my opponent to "be" Chaos. "'Kay, I'll be the loyalists and you can be the Chaos Guardsmen.". "Piss off, son! You're Dark Angels, you be the traitors!". Etc, etc. Actually, I probably won't bother telling him...smiley - winkeye


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Post 138

Mike A (snowblind)

How very Chaotic...these poor guys are serving the Dark Ones without knowing it. Very Tzeentch smiley - winkeye
Although if they've got any sense of self-preservation they'll turn to Khorne so that they're harder than the rest of those lousy Chaos so&sos.

I've just sent an email to my regular opponent, and I'll post a link on the Wise Sage message board. This has the potential to be really cool smiley - smiley


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Post 139

RadiO

Indeed...smiley - smiley
Maybe you've already seen this, but... Interesting:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/1323/rtcrant.html
Wow. And that was in 1998. By now, if he was dead the poor guy'd probably be spinning in his grave fast enough to melt granite.


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Post 140

Mike A (snowblind)

Egad, have to read that later!


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