h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Hi there,

There is actually another entry in peer review at the moment A962921 Warhammer, perhaps you could work together?

Just a thought, as only one entry on the same subject will be picked unless they cover a different aspect from each other.

Mort

I personally would argue that you should press on with your own entry, as the writer of the older entry seems to be verging on MIA status. As far as I can tell they have made only one posting to the site since contributing to the Peer Review thread about their own Warhammer entry on the 23rd March.

Posting a message to them - RYU, U205115 - saying that you've got a piece on Warhammer running, and would they like to work with you is polite, but I wouldn't hold your breath about getting a reply.

I think what I will do is post to him asking if we should link our entries to each other, the main reason being his is really about Warhammer 40k and a list of Games Workshop Games while mine is really about Warhammer... he mentions Warhammer to the same degree as I mention Warhammer 40k (just briefly explaining what it is, though he mentions many more of the spin offs)... do you think that'd work?

~Skenvoy

Well if they're different subjects, then both entries have a right to go into the guide provided they meet the writing guidelines.

As for a link, well I wouldn't bother until both make it to Edited Guide status. You see one of the funny quirks of the editing process is that you can link an Edited entry to just about anything out there on the WWW (except porn and racist stuff of course) but you can't include a link to an _unedited_ entry back here at h2g2

I'd just leave a friendly message over at the RYU's page saying that you're working on a similar(ish) entry, and then just get on and do your thing

I thought there was something like that about linking to entries but I wasn't 100% sure

~Skenvoy

well I haven't heard anything from him so I guess you're right about him not being on much...

~Skenvoy

I like this entry. I think you've covered quite a bit about how the game works. There are some things that could be added, or tweaked.

My interpretation of initiative is that is was more about quick-witted rather than intelligence as such, as as I remember it, initiative determined the order in which fighters in hand-to-hand combat fight.

Also, I think the leadership statistic isn't just leadership, but probably includes such things as discipline and courage, and such like, as it applies to individual characters when they might run away, or for leaderless units (if the leader is killed), when leadership doesn't really apply.

Also, you don't seem to mention phychology, which is a fairly inportant idea in warhammer, and also, via the leadership statistic, changes the way different armies work. For example, goblins are likely to run away if threatened, whereas high elves are more likely to stand and fight, all other things being equal.

When talking about the dwarfs you don't mention their lack of wizards, which I think makes them unique in the warhammer world. Finally, perhaps it would be worth mentioning that the humans in the Chaos army are a lot tougher than average humans, and I think they are supposed to be partly mutated or something like that, although I'm not sure about that as I've only ever collected Orcs and Goblins. If that's true, though, it's probably worth a mention.

I hope my comments are useful skenvoy. It's been a while since I played warhammer, but I think I've remembered things correctly.

yeah you got everythin right...
I'll make modifications ASAP (I'm going out now). I just wasn't sure what to include as some things could be considered going too in depth. Anyway I'll add the points you've made.

~Skenvoy

P.S. Chaos Dwarves have magic don't they? I'm a WE player so I'm not fully sure but I thought they did...

I look forward to the changes, when you get time to make them.

Also, I think you're right that Chaos dwarves had magic, as I vaguely remember in the previous edition there was a chaos dwarves magic deck, so they presumedly have wizards of some sort. I was referring particularly ordinary Dwarves having no magic (apart from runes).

yeah that's what I thought... ok I've made the changes... the changes are in the armies section (for Chaos, dwarves and chaos Dwarves) I've added a footnote to the leadership bullet point and I've added the psychology after the bit about combat... I've probably made about 1000 spelling mistakes though!

~Skenvoy

Looking good!

Pongo

It this entry gets picked, all the pictures will be stripped out of it. The editors don't like to re-use the pictures (except in very exceptional cases), so your entry will probably appear in plain text without any pictures. If you are lucky and it is the editor's choice for the day, they'll design a new picture specially for it.

But for the moment, you should probably prepare for the inevitable by taking out all the pictures and changing the red text back to normal text. This will let us see what it is going to look like and check that it doesn't depend on the presence of the pictures.

it's done

~Skenvoy

I've had a quick read through the entry. It looks good, but there are one or two other things you could add:

- It still assumes that the reader knows what a warhammer piece looks like: you don't say that they are tiny models of people or monsters, made out of some sort of metal (do you know what metal it is?).

- Some of the fun in Warhammer seems to be buying and painting the models - you mention painting, but only in passing.

- Does the game take place on a bare table top or is designing suitable terrain part of the game?

- Can a player assemble his army in any way he likes or is it restricted by the rules?

Apologies if the answers to these questions are there and I just didn't spot them.

You also use "I" at one point: I have had to roll 30 dice. You're not supposed to use I or me in entries, as the entry may be added to later by other researchers and should be considered a collaborative effort right from the start. Rephrase this sentence to something like: In elaborate battles it is not unusual to roll 30 dice!

I wondered aboutt eh including I thing but no-one mentioned it so I left it!!! As to the otehr thigns I've added bits now... I've changed the "What is Warhammer?" and "What you need to play" sections

As to the armies being constructed by rules I mention the points limits in the "How to Play" section... do you think I should explain that more?

~Skenvoy

ok I've made some spelling corrections I just noticed I needed... can anyone spot any I've missed?

~Skenvoy

Good entry


I've only skimmed quickly through your entry and the backlog, so pardon if any of this has been covered before.

I'd like to see a general introduction to tabletop wargames as such, just the basic stuff: You command your toy soldiers, who try to beat the living out of your opponents... (You'd might want to rephrase that a bit, though )
Maybe the story of the game as well, how it was invented, and how it has developed over the years, from virtually nothing to worldwide, internetbased campaigns. You'd might mention the spinoffs as well, not just 40k, but also Mordheim, Bloodbowl (YAY!), Warmaster, the computer games, the CCG, etc.

Another thing I'd like (though it may seem too much work...), is a presentation and brief history of the Warhammer World. One of the strong points of Warhammer has always been the fluff, IMO. You have some of it in your listing of the armies, but it could be much more detailed. If you've got the 5th ed Battle Book, it may offer you some inspiration.


So far you have a good entry, but you might want to add a few bits and pieces to make it great


Cheers,
~Bistro

Nice work!

I know another reseracher who plays a bit (and was considering writing an entry on Warhammer) so I'll prod him into reading this one and making any relevant comments.

Some spellings I picked up on.

Last sentence first paragraph (in brackets) should be 'known as chaos' not 'know as chaos'.

In the How to Play section, you talk about not having mixed units, with a few exeptions. Should be exceptions.

Footnote 6 should be pre-determined.

Footnote 7 - did you mean exemptions or exceptions?

In the what you need to play section, 'avisable to have some terrain' should read advisable.

One personal niggle, as an avid gamer, I might specify that the dice used are 6-sided

Other than that, it's a great article. And here's hoping the chaos dwarves return!

Jeny

Indeed, three cheers for the guys with the funny hats


~Bistro