A Conversation for Harry Potter
Yelbakk Posted Jul 15, 2003
Well, now that you brought that up...
I never realized until you mentioned it, Farlander, but you are right, of course. Hermione (and forgive me for ever spelling her name with a "y" at the end) knows SO much already and there is not much that she can still learn at H'warts. To me it seems quite clear that if she cannot learn any Good magic anymore, she will turn to learning Dark magic. Why did I not see that before? And she is the kind of character who will always want to learn more, right? A Faust kind of person. So will she, as Faust did, cut a deal with the devil? More to the point, a deal with V'mort?
You bet she is!!!
So forget all I said about her being on the Dark side already, but there can be no doubt that she will end up ther, eventually!
combattant pour liberte Posted Jul 15, 2003
I guess mindreading's better than torture. The wizard's probably have law against it though. Or perhaps Dumbledore has gift for persuading people through speech--like how did he save thev High Inquisitor from the centuars (a lot of those centuars are just as arrogant as humans aren't they, i.e. thinking their sentient species is vastly supierior to all the others in the harry Potter universe).
Hitler was good at persuading people through speech. I once went to a play where someone pretends to be Hitler, then starts discussing contempory issues, and the really scary thing before you realise it he's got you nodding your head and half-agreeing with his fascist policies.
(WARNING: A really pointless tangent) I wonder if there's a Muggle law against mindreading: I guess you could be sued under the Human Rights Act for violating some right, ccausing an affray, or maybe assault if it caused harm, or perhaps harrasment--or the good old breach of the peace.
combattant pour liberte Posted Jul 15, 2003
Just reading the backlog.
'Dumbledore is immortal. Otherwise he couldn't have discovered the Philosopher's Stone 600 years ago.'
Dammit! Why didn't I think of that? It's probably some sort of mystery that'll be solved in a later book.
Tango Posted Jul 15, 2003
It would probably come under the privacy laws.
Re HP's parents being HB and HG but not prefects: Dumbledore didn't make HP a prefect because he had too much responsibibility, what if the same thing happened with his parents (do we know how old HP's parents were when Voldy started to gain power?), Dumbledore then sees the 3 or them (HP, JP and LE) get older and wiser and thinks they can cope with more responsibibility so gives them what they had earned from the beginning, the HB/G badges.
Tango Posted Jul 15, 2003
Simulpost. Who said that? Was it me? If it wasn't, i should have said it, i realised it ages ago.
Catwoman Posted Jul 17, 2003
Dumbledore didn't discover the philosopher's stone, he just worked (recently, as befits someone if a normal lifespan) with the guy who discovered it. So don't be silly.
If Dumbledore is evil and Voldemort not, then D associating with Death Eaters can give no clues since they are V's followers and therefore as evil/good as he is.
Hermione may be clever but only compared to the rest of the kids. Just because she can learn NEWT-level stuff doesn't mean there isn't more to learn above that level. That's like saying that teachers can teach you nothing above A-level standard.
DJR Posted Jul 17, 2003
hmm, my view on the HB/HG thing is that rowling compleltely forgot about that bit in the first book - i had done until you broght it up. she will probably use something like what tango suggested in order to even it out.
also, the theory of hermione going to the dark side sounds pretty gd, but i really can't see it happening - she is a Gryffindor remember. altho i guess (tho it was never mentioned) that peter pettigrew was a gryffindor too...
altho now i think of it, its never mentioned whether or not JP or SB or any of them were in Gryffindor...
it could be that they were all in Slytherin, and them and Dumbledore were all in on the plan to destroy the good voldemort...
but i can see that happening even less!!!
Yelbakk Posted Jul 17, 2003
Re: Gryffindors being bad
It did say in the book that most of the Slytherins went over to the dark side. It did not say that none of the other houses ever did. Pettigrew, for one, did. Why should Hermione be immune to the temptations involved?
Re: Learning more than is offered at Hogwarts
True enough, there is more to learn than you could ever do in Hogwarts. But the point is that Hermione has already now gotten to the point where she can not learn much new AT the school. She has to find ways to, if you like, spend her time. And there is tons of literature in the library about the Dark Arts.
Re: Dumbledore being a real baddy
It was said that in 1945 he defeated some major Dark wizard (for all of those who missed the last history lesson... '45, end of WWII, and the name of that Dark wizard has some German sound to it, too...) And then he defeats the other Dark wizzard. He seems to be dealing a lot with the dark guys. It seems not to be too far fetched to say that he looks to be scheming for something.
God, I love conspiracy theories!
Farlander Posted Jul 18, 2003
geez, lighten up, catwoman! this is all fun speculations, and it's really quite silly to take all this seriously. don't tell me you've never had any wild, implausible crackpot theories before...
Fazed up Posted Jul 18, 2003
The order of the Phoe.... is
(stop reading now if you don't want to now)
Is a group of Wizards and Witches that fight Voldemort, They fought againest him last time as well.
(Ok It's safe now)
DJR Posted Jul 18, 2003
Re: pettigrew being in Gryffindor.
it doesn't say anywhere than any of them - JP, SB, RL or PP were in Gryffindor. it is assumed, of course, but it is never actually said. it could be that they were all actually Slytherins, further hence why the hat wanted to put Harry in Slytherin.
Yelbakk Posted Jul 18, 2003
Not so sure there. I seem to remember that someone told Harry in the first book or so that his parents at least were in G'dor. I may be wrong of course, but that would be a first time... not.
Catwoman Posted Jul 18, 2003
Ron said that basically all of the wizards that went bad were at Slytherin, not that most of Slytherin went bad (see difference?). But he's only a kid so what does he know?
Hermy can so learn more at Hogwarts, they can give her special classes and stuff. The teachers know plenty that they could teach if they needed to.
And I should lighten up? Yeah, thanks. I am obviously taking this way too seriously (that was my sarcastic voice )
Callena of the Humite Ube Posted Jul 24, 2003
JP was definitely in Gryfinndor. Hermione points out the Quidditch cup to Harry in Philosophers - showing JP as seeker for Gryffindor.
Re: Hermione can't learn anymore at Hogwarts. Nah! Yes I can see her dipping in to the Dark Arts stuff in the library... but there is also all that other stuff in the library. It would be fun to see her go dark but I don't think it will happen.
Re: Dumbledore being evil. Again - would be fun but I just can't see it.
Catwoman Posted Jul 25, 2003
well done, someone slightly more realisitc, thank you.
naturalfarmer Posted Nov 27, 2003
after actually reading the 5th book you find out that only one of Hairy's friends die, and you won't like the result. probably everybody has read the book by now and also knows how Hairy is going to die, or live. this book tells a lot of info. the 6th book i predict will be more about Snape and why he isn't a death-eater anymore. also in the next 2 books we'll get to know dumbledore's life. in the 4th and 5th book it mentions his brother aberforth. i think both will end up dying.
Catwoman Posted Dec 12, 2003
Snape is definitely one of the most interesting characters.
Far more so than 'Harry's friend who died', it seems that he was getting more and more unsympathetic throughout the book.
If anyone's been reading the Farseer books (Robin Hobb), there's a death in that that affected me far more. I was going to say which death, but then realised that it would be very cruel to spoil it. It happens at the end of 'Fool's Errand'.
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