A Conversation for The Bible - a Perspective
dannyboyjc Started conversation May 5, 2004
I'd like to throw my oar in if I may!
The Bible is a remarkable collection of works and I believe, whatever your views on faith may be, it's a little churlish to judge it on current models of narrative, literary criticism and scientific logic. It's remarkable on a number of levels:
- As a history of certain group of peoples it's quite singular. Although this history often slips into vague myth it's sheer breadth - 5000+ years? - gives us very vaulable perspective on our own times.
- As a book about the trials of life it's a belter. It gives some great advice on matters of love, death, hate, war, peace, conduct etc. Just check out Book of Job, Song of Solomon and the Gospels account of Jesus' teaching as examples. Sure some of it is more relevant than other bits but we're covering a huge time period here. It's not Nick Hornby.
- As pure literature it has some quite beautiful pieces of poetry and prose. Here in the West the very liberal thinkers who may knock the Bible praise Sufi poets, Hindu story telling or Chinese philosphy, when writing of a similar insight is tucked away in every hotel drawer.
To ignore it's power and discredit it due to a number of anomalies that don't make sense in C21st just cries of 'throwing out the baby with the bathwater' to me. The Bible has managed to be relevant to people across the world for thousands of years. To simply see it as irrational and irrelevant is plain wrong. Now, I'll say now, I am not a Christian, I do not go to Church nor to do I believe in a Christian God. (I am a spiritual person and I believe in a creating force but please don't ask me to pin my 'knowing' down as I can't it. It's a mystery and I'm still exploring...) I AM interested in people and I will not prejudice whole groups, or whole periods in history, as swiftly as some in our so-called enlightened age do. Yes - the Bible has flaws, but so does humanity and history and philosophy and ethics and so on.
To pick on the Bible for such particular points is like knocking the Mona Lisa coz she looks has an odd smile. I suggest anyone who sees the Bible as pure nonsense to actually read it. With an open mind. That is all!
matmilne Posted Jul 18, 2004
With all due respect.
the bible still exists and is interpreted as a book of laws. Facts are facts, it is responsible for great human suffering over thousands of years.
And even christians contradict the point of jesus, even christians carry out capital punishment.
CaffienatedMonkey- (formally SupremeEarthworm) Dreaming of Sleep Posted Aug 4, 2004
Not to harsh on your argument, but there is a BIG difference between the Mona Lisa and the Bible. Largely the fact that people don't pray to Da Vinci or the Mona Lisa, herself. Now I will admit that I haven't read the Bible as of yet, however, to argue the two are so how alike is a bit odd.
The Bible does have staying power, though, need I point out the Left Behind series, which is what happens when Tom Clancy and Pat Robertson get together and have a baby. I also agree, that it is a bit much to pass it off as irrelevent, which I don't think this entry does.
All I'm saying is lets keep things in perspective...
matmilne Posted Aug 6, 2004
Of course it is irrelevant.
It even contradicts itself.
The bible is:
A series of books written by Hitler-like dictators and story tellers with biased opinions.
It is very misleading. The sooner it is gone, the better.
DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Oct 15, 2004
Yes, and just as mnay who oppose it! AFAIK, the only developed country
which still has capital punishment is the USA, and not even all Americans support the death penalty.
DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Oct 31, 2004
An equally large number of Christians oppose it!
badger party tony party green party Posted Nov 1, 2007
Death Penalty Permitted
Antigua and Barbuda
China (People's Republic)
Congo (Democratic Republic)
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Trinidad and Tobago
United Arab Emirates
Of the countries above Ive higlighted the ones I consider to be developed on grounds of wealth, infrastructure or nuclear capability.
Which sort of blows out of the water you argument about the US being the only developed country to execute people.
Which just leaves the assertion that opppsition to and support for the death penalty is 50/50 amongst christians where does this *fact* come from?
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- 5: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Oct 15, 2004)
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