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Post 501

ITIWBS

Caramelized whey cheese is a north countries specialty, very heating, so it helps to keep ones' core temperature high against a prospect of hypothermia.

Its caramel brown in color, slightly crunchy, about like a sugar cube, but with a different texture and I've made my remarks on flavor above.

Something I'd definitely want to include my snow country food supplies.

http://www.theoldfoodie.com/2011/10/whey-cheese.html

Its also great in coffee, dissolves readily only in boiling water, otherwise it dissolves slowly.

Another and somewhat cheesier formulation with milk added as well as a little cream;

http://www.whatsforlunchhoney.net/2011/01/brunost-cheese-norwegian-delicacy.html


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Post 502

Jabberwock


MMMmmm

I feel a black hole developing in my tummy!

smiley - tongueout


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Post 503

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

go careful Jabs, I've got one of them in my headsmiley - ermeverything goes in, but nowt comes out


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Post 504

Jabberwock


smiley - laughsmiley - laughsmiley - laugh


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Post 505

winternights

I read with interest , recent findings, seems that finding the answer to there goal seems to require more and more additional particles to make there model / models work.. It is a bit of a race for the competing parties given that there collective data to date as so little statistical weight keeping it well beyond the reach of publishable fact.


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Post 506

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

http://www.fnal.gov/

they're all at itsmiley - biggrin


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Post 507

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

"I've got one of them [black holes] in my head everything goes in, but nowt comes out" [Prof Animal Chaos]

I have one, too. I forget names right and left these days. smiley - online2long Somehow I don't think CERN is going to be able to help me with this problem. smiley - sadface

I figured that CERN would need to keep adding particles and variables. The universe's complexity seems to increase the more we know about it. smiley - yikes


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Post 508

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

a jigsaw where the pieces constantly change shapesmiley - smileytherefore, it can never be completedsmiley - biggrin


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Post 509

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I doubt that even the most optimistic scientists believe in completion. They just want to move one more step toward it.


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Post 510

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

but they ARE only scientists Paulsmiley - biggrinWE know better matesmiley - smileyco's we are ace!


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Post 511

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

I'm not sure a comparison can be made. Scientists put aside their common sense in order to do their jobs. You and I don't have the same job to do. We're free to use common sense. Many of the things that scientists have discovered over the centuries flew in tyhe face of what was common sense at the time. Later generations of scientists repudiated some of what the earlier scientists had discovered. The final, ultimate, totally-true truth will never fall into our grasp. It doesn'tmatter, though. We will live out our lives making whatever we can of life, the universe, and everything.


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Post 512

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

BUT! we can say "I knew that ages ago"smiley - laugh

just because we don't have letters behind our name and write in science journals etc (or are based in uni's)smiley - biggrindon't mean we know less than themsmiley - smileysmiley - smiley


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Post 513

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

It's true that we don't know less than the scientists, but they know more than we do when they talk about their specialties. It'sjust that their specialties are not all there is to know.


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Post 514

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

maybe, but your/our/my theories are just as good as theirssmiley - smileyI would say better, because we are not clouded by "typical" physics logic


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Post 515

winternights

I believe that there are constraints within a medium of expression,and its processes hinder its creativity.
As with mathematics, it is a form of applied expression that try’s to capture an event,through its interpretation, relays this information to others and is rule governed by logic, and where a valid interface is one in which the conclusion must be true.

What it does not do is thinksmiley - huh.

Thinking is not a sport for kings but a playground in where anyone can contribute, some are more philosophical ,some less so but free radicals of thought come about by association and are not governed by disciplined rules.


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Post 516

Jabberwock


The vast difference between scientific theories and hypothetical theories is the matter of evidence.

There is much evidence for the Theories of Einstein and for the Theory of Evolution, for instance.

In fact, the philosopher Karl Popper proposed that an accurate formulation of the process of theory (or knowledge) progresses as follows, (slightly adapted):

Observation - then speculative Hypothesis (no evidence) - then evidence to test the hypothesis through more observation = theory. Theories without this examination by evidence are not established theories, in fact are not theories at all, but speculations, mere hypotheses.

Paul's view of commonsense views is a powerful and suggestive one. Commonsense has a bad track record, usually involving obsolete scientific findings. First it was commonsense that the Earth was flat, then that the sun circled the earth, and only later (in spite of the Greeks knowing this), that the Earth orbited the Sun.

Prof, where is the evidence for your theories, supposed to be just as good if not better than scientific ones?

Jabs (S.O.D)




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Post 517

winternights

Evidence is that which is given for the purpose of establishing the truth, to get to that point one has to one has to gain knowledge and this process inevitably will involve thinking, assuming and weighing up probabilities.

Only when a model is sufficiently tested and stands investigation can it be considered scientific. We start with theories and end with fact, we cannot state fact or give evidence without this process.


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Post 518

Jabberwock


We actually start with speculation, then end up with theories. As in Popper's model, widely, (but not universally it must be conceded), held by today's scientists as an accurate account of the Scientific Method and how it progresses from unestablished speculation to established theories. The theories aren't facts, but the evidence is.



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Post 519

winternights

Popper , liken to all Philosophers are reflective on what is deemed human experience, they employ rational, methodical and systematic considerations on such topics that are of importance to mankind.
Critical examination of our most fundamental beliefs and then applying logical analysis on concepts.

Poppers rejection of the traditional conception of induction is a process that is actively demonstrated to day .
There are too many so called scientists that would if only they could , dismiss and disprove of Einstein’s work which the scientific fraternity had upon till to date considered as been fact.

Fact remains fact until it can be disproved and in most cases that is as a result of new thinking and theories which are created as a result of new information and findings such as those from Cern


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Post 520

Prof Animal Chaos.C.E.O..err! C.E.Idiot of H2G2 Fools Guild (Official).... A recipient of S.F.L and S.S.J.A.D.D...plus...S.N.A.F.U.

no evidence, so I reckon I might come under this bit then Jabs "speculative Hypothesis" ?


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