h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

uncharted,

God can do absolutely anything he likes. He made every being, and He is perfectly entitled to destroy every being as he sees fit. Every last person is fully deserving of the fires of hell. Personally I am thankful that He chose some of us, in spite of our sin, to be saved from that terrible fate.

Sam, has it ever occurred to you that you may be worshipping the wrong side?

No, but we shall see come Judgement Day, when Almighty God tosses the devil and his followers into the lake of fire.

And, gee, who *wouldn't* want to worship such a nice guy

Come one, come all ... Find out where *you'll* be spending all of eternity ... Don't be shy ... Roll up, roll up

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv

I've come late to this so I'm replying to the initial post.

'One must either accept the entire Bible as the infallible Word of God, or else all of it is a lie and God Himself is a liar.'

How many feet does Christ have? How many toes on each foot? What shape are his toenails? Tell me about His hair?

All of those questions are answered very literally in the Bible. How do you answer them, Sam? Do you accept that the Bible is the infallible Word of God? Do you accept that God says His Son has four legs, cloven-hooves and wooly hair? Or are you going to suddenly change your tune and say 'well, that's obviously a metaphor!'?

If so, I have to ask: obvious to whom? If that metaphor is so obvious to you, how come you're too stupid to figure out the other ones? I'll tell you why: It's because your devil has dimmed your eyes (that's a metaphor, BTW).

I think it's just wonderful that you are so devoted to your devil, especially since he tells you to keep your little devil selves away from the rest of us.

So, what are you doing here? Go away. Get thee behind me. You too Satan.



I didn't bother reading the backlog. If someone has already said this, please excuse me. And if someone has already said this, why is Sam still here?

Anhaga,

I know my God, and He speaks to me. I know He does not lie. Satan's words (whether they come from your mouth or someone else's) are absolutely impotent.

Oh come on, this is entertaining

Hiya anhaga

If you don't read anything else this summer...read the journal entry on Harry Potter books - something about "satanic filth"

Way to completely ignore the point, Sam.

If you say the Bible is 100% true, and if it isn't, God is a liar, then answer Anhaga's question.

Well, I wouldn't call them 'Satanic filth.' Perhaps 'mildly seasoned literary Chinese Food' (you forget them half an hour after reading them).

And, on a serious note: Sam, it's sad. I've seen it many times before. You follow Satan. You will have a special place in that lake of fire. Except, God, in his mercy, has something planned that you've not an inkling of. That's the happy part.

Oh, look. I missed Sam's response. Sorry.

Actually, God doesn't talk to you. And you've demonstrated pretty clearly how potent Satan's words are.

If they're God's words, you should be obeying them. Why are you associating with these people. You're disobeying His words to you.

And, I know you won't answer my question. I've confronted you blinkered ones before. I know what to expect.

God will forgive you even this.

Did anybody call him on this yet?

'Wrong! Magog = Russia.'

More Satan spew! What are you on, Sam? That's modern cold-war evangelical crap. (Wrong! Magog = Canada! Go ahead: Google Magog Canada and see what you get. [At least Canada has the place name. And it's Northern. Look out Israel, our Moose cavalry is on the move!)

Russia is not mentioned in the Bible. Gog and Magog are mentioned in the Bible. Twentieth century anti-communist twits made up the interpretation of Magog as Russia.

Sam, I'm sorry. This is just stupid.

Yeah, he's been tripped up on it, not that it made any difference.

I remember reading Hal Lindsey's books when I was a kid. I had such a great laugh. I never would have expected that anyone would take him seriously.

I wonder if Sam knows he's spouting the rantings of an American paperback writer rather than the Word of God.

I am sick of these so-called Christians who are prepared to compromise on core aspects of the faith:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/p07.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6528/peniel.htm

http://www.rickross.com/reference/ppc/ppc1.html

http://www.rickross.com/groups/ppc.html

Well, I'm also jumping in a little late (but thanks to uncharted666 for pointing out this thread), but from the bits I've read so far, I'm gonna have some things to say. More on that tomorrow, though, after I've made my way through the backlog. Consider this an overly-detailed bookmark, instead of a real post.

Hold it lads! Peace! Time-out!
first of all. Hang on Uncharted, Grand S. ...Look, before we are all fully at one anothers' throats, i have just come upon a new piece of information that will settle a few things. :
It is this: there was a specific time period in history that the people, being fed up with having argued about creationism and Charles Darwin, etc. so much that in C. 1933, some Americans agreed to have this little thing that was later known as thew Scopes-Monkey trial. the Creationists were so against the idea of Mr. Darwin's Theory of Evolution being taught in the biology curriculum of public schools (You see they felt it to be in contradiction with part of the scripture in the Genesis section of the Bible), That they tried to sue in court over it. An entire play was made out of this in a novel/booklet entitled "Inherit the Wind." I will not accuse anyone about being a literalist or a heretic...yet. -now wait. Allow me to ask people a few questions: 1. It would appear that the question at hand should not be whether all evolutionists are/are not Christians, since this is too broad based and is rather too similar to the Chicken-egg riddle (Can be argued on incessantly for millenia), So then Mr.GSD, Would it not be accurate then for me to respectfully guess at that from what you are saying about how badly you dislike evolutionists that you are a person of the creationist sway of opinion? now hang on asec. this is where things start to get dicey so all bear with me for a sec. 2. it would be much more accurately true to state that Not all evolutionists are Christians, and that some of them are not Christian, no? no one can argue against that because they would look pretty . 3. if,then...Postulate! Supposing that by definition creationists and evolutionists never agree on things revolving around the science of biology, and level of literalance to take with scripture (am I right so far? if no, too bad). here's the clincher anyway (so read on): 4. Now back to about this Scopes-Monkey trial (how it resolved will be revealed all in good time) they did have an argument quite similar to the one generated on this thread, Is it not odd how history does go on to repeat itself ad nauseum? 5. It would be much more specific and less appaling then to make the statement that "Evolutionists are not Creationists", since this is true. I take it none of us is the Pope, so it is not really in our powers of authority/"legislation" to damnify everyone else, since that would be "playing God," another big Judeo-Christian No-no, except that when we are people that are losing arguments, it can become tempting to resort to childish tactics such as going "," name calling, accusing each other of being the , and other good fun from the Spanish Inquisition Period (at least for those interrogating/being inquisitors. Sorry to those being interrogated/inquisited), can it not? 6. What would you people, say, then write off of for evolutionists who otherwise regularly frequent the church or creationists who frequently skip going to service?
By the way, in case you wanted to know the records indicate that the creationists lost the case.
So .

good job on all sides.

Excuse me for jumping in rather late too, but this is a fascinating discussion and I've been watching it for a while.

I have read the backlog, but since I don't have the time to respond to every post and the conversation has rather moved on, I'll just say this: I can think of one very good reason that I am not Christian, and that is because I would never worship a god who could be so cruel as to damn 'sinners' to Hell. The true measure of kindness, I think, is to be compassionate even to those people who do things you don't approve of - people, for example, who follow a different belief system to you, or (*gasp!*) are not heterosexual. A god who would cast these people into Hell, even if they are different, instead of celebrating their differences, is clearly not someone I wish to have any contact with.

The more I learn about this God, the less I like about Him. Once upon I time I thought He was all right, though I didn't necessarily believe in all the miracles He's supposed to have worked, but as I've gotten older people are telling me that He will torture me for all eternity because I'm atheist or because I don't necessarily think I'm heterosexual or anything like that. Believing or not believing aside, I would never worship someone who abused His power so much that He was cruel to people. It's like a bully at school (for Sam and anyone else who's not aware of it yet, I'm a kid, so I tend to make school-related analogies) who beats someone up because they're of a different race. God is just a bully - using His strength, like that kid on the playground, to make people hurt for some irrational reason.

So what if Hell is what happens to me in the end? (I must admit I doubt it.) I am not afraid. I would rather endure all the pain that is supposed to be there - at least the people in Hell would be a damn sight more interesting than those in Heaven - than I would bow down to a cruel tyrant like your God.

So that's my rant. I hope that's perfectly clear.

'God is just a bully'

Sam's god is.

And Sam's god is a tiny little god. 'My universe is only 6000 years old. None of this billions and billions of years for me. No siree Bob. I like my universe cozy. Infinity? No, I don't want any of that. My godlike intellect is tiny, too. Sure kids in grade school can grasp the idea of infinity and even levels of infinity, degrees of infinity but not me. Nope. I'm a tiny little god and I want a tiny little universe for other tiny little people with minds even tinier than mine.'