h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Personally, I've always thought the pill is bad news, just by merit of the fact that you're f*****g with your intermal chemistry rather drastically. Evidence is finally starting to reflect this. As far as puberty is concerned, the early onset has been linked to better nutrition, but also there are frightening correlations between the onset of puberty and the consumption of meat and dairy products from the modern industry. In countries where hormone usage is not regulated in dairy cows, for example, girls have been seen to develop breasts and begin menstruation at the age of three! I probably sound like a conspiracy theorist, but if you want to delay puberty, have a nation of children that run around outside frequently and who eat only wild game.

As far as sexual activity is concerned, Simon is right that once sexual hormones come into play that we should expect that sort of behavior as healthy. In my opinion, what should about the situation is for adults to enter into as open and honest dialogues on the subject as they would any other issue that comes up. Also, while kids will do what they gotta do, providing healthy activities and opportunities to develop their identities and self-esteem will curtail, if not sex itself, the need for deviant and delinquent behavior.

I agree but girls need protection from peer pressure, bullying through self-assertiveness classes and when a girl says no it means no and boys should respect girls when they say no and not bully them into submission. Girls with low esteem are easily bullied into have sex when they do not want it. Boys need to learn to be responsible for their actions. I am not saying sex is bad but there is alot of pressure to conform when you get to my age of 39 you will understand. At 13 I was strong enough to say no others may not have that personal strength.

I don't know there..I guess I've always worked under the ethic or nonconformity..

Whereas I always worked under the ethic of having no partner

Please do not be sarcastic. Sex just for the sake it is wrong at any age. Girls should noy be treated as unpaid prostitutes. You should make love to someone you really are in love with. Establishing friendship is more important than sex. As for meat and dairy products, have not heard of being a vegetarian/vegan. There are lot of non-meat/substitutes available as well as organic meat/diary produce. Either you think it is right that girls should be bullied/pressured into having sex when thet are not ready and do not want it or you pressume that this does not happen. I am afraid you have alot of growing up to do and you are not unconventional but very immature as you seem to think sex is a right. Tbere are female condoms, the cap and the male pill.

I don't think Nyssa was being sarcastic, infact she added a very good comment about once any child reaches puberty, the parents should take time to have an open and frank conversation about the merits and dangers of sex.
They may teach the basic mechanics at school, but there is alot of other stuff I want to tell my kids about it before they begin bonking.

Sex for the sake of it isn't necessarily wrong. Personally I see casual sex as unforfilling, but that doesn't make it wrong. Providing both parties are completly consenting, and enjoying what they are doing and not expecting anything more, where's the harm in them both getting some mutual satisfaction?

I totally agree that neither boys or girls should be pushed into having sex. I remember the pressures I was under at that age, and in some ways I wish I haddn't given into that pressure and had waited longer. But it was a relief to get it out the way, even if the actual experience was hardly romantic.

Not all boys try to bully girls into having sex. I would never have dreamed of even suggesting it to a girl, let alone putting pressure on her. But in life, you will always get bullies of both sexes, and that should be stamped out wherever possible.
It sounds like you may have suffered some bad experiences when you were younger. It does happen and it's really unnacceptable.
I know my son will be taught to respect women, and my daughter will hopefully have the same courage you did and only do things if she wants to do them.

As for contraceptives, they are a necessity to youngsters. Pretending there isn't a under age sex problem and making contraceptives unavailable is just like burying our heads in the sand. But we still have to address the issue of their attitudes towards sex.
Is the male pill available? I didn't know that, is it reliable?

I think I have been miunderstood, I am not against sex but if there is underage sex then they should be told of the risks and be made away of the contraceptives available which will be tailored towards their individual needs. What I am against is unprotected sex. When I was talking about being scarstic, I was refering to going and catching your own game. There are non-meat substitutes available and non-diary products as well as seafood which can conummed instead of meat and dairy products. Yes I agree that parents should explain the merits and dangers of sex, my mother did as well as my older sister. My mother is a nurse and she told me long before I started puberty. Yes, if they want casual sex, then thats al
right as long as no is pressured to do it. Boys or girls shouldnot get possessive about each other. There is one thing forgotten is the dying of kissing. Now that is an art that has been neglected. I am sorry if I am angry and rude, I have PMS. Another thing they should be taught about is the need of regular check ups smeer tests and monthly checks of their breasts. Both are very important.

I do enjoy a good . These young whipper snappers don't know what they are missing out on.

As for the meat and dairy products argument, I think we need a thorough investigation into exactly what our dinners are being fed. Especially after the CJD and BSE outbreaks. Cow's should eat grass! I bet even organic beef gets fed some other stuff to 'beef' it up a bit.

It may just be me but I fail to see what the eating of meat has to do with losing one's virginity or indeed having sex at all ... as I said, it could just be me.

As I've said if not here then somewhere nearby, everyone should, and is, free to make their own choice. Casting all we men folk as sexual predators preying on weakminded women is neither fair to us nor fair on the fairer sex. If I want to sleep with a different person every night who is anyone to tell me not to? Equally if I want to remain a virgin until I meet 'the one' then, likewise, who is going to say I mustn't/shouldn't?

Sex between consenting adults is exactly what it says on the tin - sex between adults who have consented. What constitutes consention? Do I need a written agreement before leaping between the sheets or is the ardour generated as things progress sufficient?

Moralising solves nothing, educating can help but at the same time boys will be boys and girls will be girls and no amount of education will overcome the human reproductive instinct.

Everyone should be, and is, entitled to choose as and when and with whom they do the dirty but incredibly enjoyable deed. I agree that there is more to be gained from a longterm, stable and loving relationship but at the same time you can't curtail anyones carnal desires. 1 a day, 1 a week, 1 a month, 1 a year, 1 only ... it's up to you.

Incidentally, I do enjoy a good too ... nothing worse than getting to clinch point with the person of your dreams only to find that kissing her is like snogging a washing machine ...

I am sorry if I sound to be generalising about men and women. Its my time of the month again. The meat and dairy products was to do with excess hormones and any one who wants to avoid that should go on a vegan diet. I am not against sex and communication and being able to read each others feelings is away for knowing whether they want to do it or not. Just by talking and asking what the person wants, but always remember that if they say no respoect them for it. I am not frigid or want to stop youngsters having fun I just what to have safe sex and not know what forms of contraceptives are available and that they use them. Sadly at my age having sex becomes more and more remote (I look very young for my age) and I only have vague memories. This always gets me depressed as I can only get male penpals and nothing seems to go further no amount hints I drop.

Don't let the PMS get you down. Go have a nice long soak in the bath, eat lots of chocolate and treat yourself to a bottle of wine, or whatever your favorite tipple is.
You aren't an old spinster yet, by your own admission you look young for your age. Don't give up hope of finding love.

Be lucky and happy.
Si

Thanks for the very kind advice.

Ugh..message got deleted..take two.

Rather than rant, I'll just say that I agree with everything Simon said, who, I've been meaning to say, is the most sage character Ive encountered on this site. If he's got a single clone of himself for sale...

I will say though that I found it surprising and amusing, the implication that I have some growing up to do. I've not heard that in a *long* time...and I'll just leave it at that.

Also, I meant no sarcasm regarding wild game. In the US, in the Pacific Northwest where I reside, it is completely feasible to provide your family's meat in this way, assuming someone in the household has inclinations towards hunting. In fact, for many poorer families this is a necessity. My goal is to within a year have my kids off non-organics and on wild game as their only source of meat (if we eat it at all). However, this is an expensive proposition since I'm now solely responsible for my household (some of us *did* have to grow up fast ).

And yeah, kissing is all right .

I don't see anything wrong with eating meat. And killing it yourself to eat it is much better, though obviously I never have... at least then you realise the implications of what you're doing and don't waste any of it. What I get angry about is the needless cruelty in things like battery farming chickens and fox hunting as a 'sport'. But that's my two cents Good for you, Nyssa

Becoming a vegetarian or vegan is more easier. You can get protien from soya, tofu, quorn, nuts and pulses. There is soya milk as well as coconut milk. There are now veggie restaurants & most supermarkets & healthfood shops stock veggie produce ie burgers etc. So if you want to reduce your intske of artificial hormones through the meat and diary chain being a vegetarian or vegan (vegan is not suitable for children). Also fish, shellfish can be subsituted. Meat or poultry if eaten should be organic (we have organic/freerange farms here) and that would be on rare occassions. Its strange no-one has talked about a veggie.

Just flicked through an article on MSN claiming the smarter you are the later your sexual debut will be.

Well, for an american I lost my virginity late. But then my genius has never been in question *cough*

They also mentioned that really stupid people lost it late as well.

I sure am bringing in the insults this week, Christ..

but how late would you have to be then?


andy

and what is the right age