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JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
Hoovooloo Posted May 22, 2013
" I'm intrigued that the original plan had a woman character doing [Spock]'s job "
It went further than that. The original plan had her bearing some of Spock's emotionally-suppressed characteristics. In the original pilot, Spock is more clearly emotional - grinning like a loon in delight at some singing plants, for example - while the first officer is so buttoned down she doesn't even have a name.
In some ways, the "no female first officer" could be seen as simple sixties sexism. You could look at it another way, though - it would inevitably and depressingly have led, sooner or later, to the 'letting-her-hair-down' storyline, she'd have ended up banging Kirk, and then where do you go with it? And knowing what we know of notorious womaniser Roddenberry, this is even more inevitable. Which makes the execs' ruling against it seem just sensible, and arguably massively improved what would otherwise have been a more formulaic show.
Whereas with Spock in that role, there was what is now called bromance, but there was no danger of it ever jumping the shark.
JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant Posted May 22, 2013
I saw the film last night. Quite a lot of exhilarating action. I never thought I'd see Spock running after Khan at top speed. I usually think of Spock calmly standing somewhere and giving lofty advice. This cast is built for action. Even Scotty finds himself running through an enemy starship.
JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
Orcus Posted May 22, 2013
Spock was always nails in fight!
One bit I particularly liked was when he tried the Vulcan shoulder-grip-stun thing on Khan and he screamed - but didn't go down.
JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant Posted May 22, 2013
Nails in fight? That sounds like a local idiom. What does it mean?
JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
Orcus Posted May 23, 2013
Hard as nails. Normal (British) English expression.
JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
Just Bob aka Robert Thompson, plugging my film blog cinemainferno-blog.blogspot.co.uk Posted May 23, 2013
And since you are not familiar with the phrase, I will add that it should probably read "Spock was always nails in a fight" rather than "nails in fight".
JJ Abrams and his Star Treks
paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant Posted May 23, 2013
We're like residents in a global village [a digital village, for that matter]. I find it intensely stimulating to come here and be part of other people's lives, nevertheless knowing that sometimes they'll say things I don't quite get, and I'll throw in an expression that I *thought* everyone else would get, but they don't. I'm not the same as I was ten years ago, when I was newby on h2g2. It's been a fun ten years.
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