h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I think my journals make up a fair wack of your list ...at least I'm down to mostly one a day now..




But I don't understand your point AB.

You may want a tidy desk...I like a great big mess..like on my kitchen table.books and bits of paper and all manner of debris..are you suggesting we should be limited?

We all have different needs. My mind will work quite differently to others.

Is there a policy now on h2g2 that we change things for a specific reason?..is there some sort of aim? If so it would be good if that could be come clean about.

I don't see any great clammer from the community to change things. Only a handful of people are bothering to post on this thread.

above @ anhaga

You wouldn't have to clean your desk if you choose not to.

There is nothing to come clean about, people are being invited to discuss what changes they would like regarding managing their PS's or if they are happy with the way things are. That is all.

How do you know there's nothing to come clean about?

Are on the board of Not Panicking?

Are you involved on the boards at Noesis.

If you are certain of your facts..explain how that is.

It seems to me you are just giving an opinion. On the one hand on my thread on Ask you say you don't take part in stuff now..and now here you are stating things as if fact.

I put that question out for anyone to answer. I would expect opinion to be properly acknowleged as such.

I'd like to be able to put passages in Old English on my PS without being told it isn't English.





Seriously: I'm sure that one could come up with something in German that would offend the warm-showering Germans, but who could ever come up with something in Old English that would offend anyone who could actually read the stuff?

Actually I don't want to continue this. Ever since you got involved and started telling me what to do with regards kea, which you *knew* would cause me so much upset.you now regularly post to me in this style.

I shall leave this thread once and for all now.

I admit that I posted that bit about coming clean was because it seems that you are saying this in any discussion that involves possible changes we may or may not have on this site. This is personally irritating me and I feel a little defensive of the people behind the scenes I guess, the inferance that they have all these things to 'come clean about it'

I will argue that there is a case for more clarity, openess, transparancy with regard to some issues regarding moderation and I am being a nag about structures but I am not saying that there has been any sort of dirtiness in that this hasn't happened. Just that imo things could and should be managed differently. FWIW this largely comes down to management style, attitude and my personal ethos about how community processes should work and how decisions should be made, this underpins how I work in my rl community and how I expect things to work in my rl community. I think it translates to here, this online community. Not everyone shares my view and I accept that, not necessary quietly but I can let things go


I am 'guessing' then that there are currently no 'behind the scenes plans that people need to come clean about' involving issues like giving us an edit button, the power to delete stuff in our PSs or to demand that we post more personal details than we currently do or to introduce privacy settings because I am trusting the behind scenes people to consult with us should they be thinking about going down these lines. I am hoping that having consulted with us then if it turns out we don't want these new-fangled things, they won't be foisted upon us, but no, I can't give an absolute cast iron garentee that it isn't happening or won't happen. It is *only* my opinion.

It was wrong of me to post irritably and defensively. For that I apologise to everyone. I'm wrong posting this but I will try my absolute best to swallow my personal irritations or just walk away from threads.

Strictly on topic from now on, hopefully you can all rest easy and Effers will feel comfortable enough to join in if she wants to

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>> Ben, I'm curious what you see the advantages would be. Obviously if someone is being or feeling harassed then having a thread removed on request makes sense. I'm not sure what the benefit beyond that is.

I only mentioned it now because AB had raised it. I'll come back with a formal consultation on this at some stage with my Business Processes Hat on; in the meantime I am curious to know what other researchers think.
<< Ben

It's hard to say much more if I/we don't know what the point of the suggestions were

The point is to find out what people think about a minor change to how h2g2 works.

I didn't mean the point of you asking, I meant the point of the change.

I don't consider it to be minor, if people can have threads moved at will.

>>1) People to be able to have conversations started by other people on their Personal Spaces removed *and not have to give a reason* - so if I went over to kea's space and started a conversation that kea didn't want there, she could have it moved from her PS, since it would have to be attached somewhere, I think it would have to be attached to mine.


For me, personally, I'm not sure if I see the need for this. If there's something on my PS that I don't want, either it breaks the House Rules (in which case I'll yikes it) or it doesn't (in which case I'll leave it). I've learned to live with that situation.

However, something that might need to be taken into consideration: if I recall correctly, Aces identify which Researchers (might) need Acing via the <./>NewUsers</.> page - which has the option to show 'only those with Introductions without any Postings made to it (ie those whom the Aces should welcome)'. If threads could be moved off your PS, and unsubbed from, would/could a Researcher potentially keep showing up on this list? I appreciate there are ways to program things so that this wouldn't happen - but that could lead to people thinking the NewUsers page is broken...

Newbies will not be affected. They are only removed from the list if they open a message to themselves in their Message Centre.

We (ACEs) still have the means to check for Newbies doing this


lil x
Chief ACE.

People don't understand what it is that I am saying.
It's quite simple really.
I have a personal space that when I logged on for the first asked me to tell other researchers something about myself.
I do this and everyone can read it. I have moved into my virtual world, I create a home and my garden looks pretty, other researchers can look at it but only I can plant the flowers.
I have a letter box. People can post there, how do I decide what is important to me, what is junk mail and what can I do about it ?
I keep a diary, do I want everyone to read it?
You see, I am not at all sure how things work. I'm a cautious old sod. It's something that I have been curious about since I first signed on 10 years ago. I got into trouble then and I am still getting into trouble.
The capabilitiis of h2g2 go well beyond the capabilities of facebook and twitter both socially and technically.
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A bit off topic - A question I first asked. "I don't know who is talking to who, why don't they click on the reply button of the post they are replying to ? " My attention was drawn to the little tree thingy at the bottom right of all conversations. 10 years late I still don't fully understand why it's there.
My 'attitude' did raise comments at Lil's those 10 years ago and the wonderful thing is that I can link you to the actual conversation if I want to. Why ? because I recorded the event in My Space.( Not in my journal by the way.)
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Lil's and Ask h2g2 are open forums, I want My space to be just that, my Personal Space, accessible to all but cultivated be me in all aspects. I don't want people going of the handle in my space.
I want a sweeping brush and a Poop Scoop.

you know, Ancient Brit, i may agree with you... if you are saying we should have more control over our personal spaces, i find that it is annoying that i cannot get rid of messages in my message box
why?
because some of them are unfriendly
i have yikesed some of the unfriendly ones but the mods have decided some should stay
this irks me

i think there should be a separate set of 'removal criteria' for our message boxes

also, a long time ago i had a run-in with the mods about a posting in my ace message

i felt it had crass words in it and i just wanted it to be gone, but the mods decided the poster could insert stars to 'camoflage' the words
this actually was even more offensive to me

when you see d**rtyword you know what the word is... its the same as its been said
i prefer to see [censored] like you see in noesis

There is no answer at present to your Message Box but there is an answer to the Journal. Don't have one. You can keep things more private and personal by linking whatever memories you want to keep on the front page of your personal space this can include links beyond h2g2 and the whole lot is editable.

If you want to restrict the site to writing and edited guide entries you could retain specific rules and technical requirements. The PS is hardly necessary you are clinically judging the text.
If you want it to be a community site ( and a big one ) things are different.
Once more can I say that the community and technicalities of this site, that we supposedly know and love is way and above a quick tweet and the intricacies of facebook but it can never outrun the changes in society and technological development. Aren't there Blog sites where you can invite people to your Blog and talk to each other with minimum interference from others with face to face contact if you so desire. Of course having made contact here on h2g2 we could always b##gg#r off somewhere else.

#134 "... if you are saying we should have more control over our personal spaces, i find that it is annoying that i cannot get rid of messages in my message box"

Are you suggesting that "personal spaces" are for you more like "impersonal spaces"?

I'm not sure what people mean exactly by 'message box', but in alabaster there are ten conversations set to show below the 'discuss this entry' button. When I've had a thread there I don't want to see, I just bump up the other ones until the annoying one disappears off the page.

Must say I did this recently, but in 8 years I've probably only had to do it a few times.

That's your message box, or letter box as I think AB calls it

I would just like the option to move messages from there to my conversation list and then either let them die a death or unsub

Seems like some people should set up their own website and only let the people who agree with them use it.

That's called blogging, McKay.

I am really interested in what folks are saying about personal spaces here.

On the one hand we have h2g2's tradition of transparency and permanence - once you hit post it is there forever. On the other we have blogs, where you have total control over you part of the internet. And in the middle there is Facebook, which works to weasle stuff out of you for targeted advertising.

On h2g2 we are like tenants in an area of outstanding natural beauty or a particularly strict council; we've very little choice about our front gardens and house.

In blogland it's like a completely un-regulated neighbourhood - you can do anything you like in your own space.

I won't even talk about FB.

My question, really, is would it be good if you could clear the trash that's been dumped in your front garden away?

Very interesting. (I started off with one opinion, by he way, and changed my mind about it as time went by).

Ben