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Just phoned a friend (yes I do have one or two ), no-one can stop laughing about totally stupid and irrelevent 'Occupy' is

Anyway there'll soon be more proper demos going on about the very real and horrible suffering, old, poor, vulnerable in all ways...actually just about everyone..given the unemployment here now in south east London.

Stuff with real chutzpah and guts...and based to do with Community here that's very angry.

(Dean of St. Paul's resigning..because of a silly little campsite..what a total joke Occupy is).

Effers, I'm really sick of you coming here and slagging off Occupy. You're obviously missing or ignoring what this thread is for.

Can you please start a new thread if you want to talk about whether Occupy is a valid movement/action or not? It would actually be quite an interesting debate for h2g2 to have. Just not here.

If effers comments were could someone please remind me what the topic was designed to be in occupy h2g2, because I just don't get it.
My income probably falls in the bottom 20 percent, ywet I just dont see what we are doing in this thread.

Sorry your sick to do with a thread on h2g2.

I'm sick to to with what is happening here. Do you think people would go on the rampage like what happened in August..the most unBritish thing imaginable unless it was really bad?

A whole generation are going to ed..like I was during the Thatcher era.

If your sick of me speaking the truth about the total irrelevence of Occupy..go to some place where they bigged up disingenuously

Occupy are an utter irrelevence to this culture.

You've talked a lot about culture in the past. I would expect you to understand the anger felt at Imperialism that is a House of Cards...to do with Wall street. And as anhaga said to me...that should have been out shouting on the streets already...

We don't need Occupy Imperialism here.

The summer riots should tell you that.

Shagbark, occupyh2g2 is the online h2g2 equivalent of occupying public space that is happening globally. It's developed into a thread of solidarity and sharing knowledge and information. I'm really happy to say more about that if you need, and if people want to discuss the validity or not of the occupy movement I'd like them to start a separate thread.

Effers has come into this thread and repeatedly slagged off the occupy movement, to the point of flooding, as well as derailed the thread by demanding that we explain stuff to her that's already been explained. The only reason that hasn't happened lately is because she's been on premod and hasn't been allowed to. So it's not so much that she is offtopic as that she appears not to give a shit about the thread or the people in it. I was being polite in my previous request by framing it as offtopic.

I do still think that a separate thread for the politics of occupy would be good, so that this thread doesn't get ruined.

Or we could cede this to Effers and I could start a separate thread for occupy solidarity and information sharing. What does everyone think?

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Effers, the occupations aren't happening in a vacuum and aren't stopping anybody else protesting however they see fit. They have managed to get a message on to the front pages and leading the BBC news (even though that news coverage is misleading and appears to be biased.)

More people are aware of the issues than would have been without the occupations. It's something to build on.

Coming in late...

I somewhat agree with Slavoj Zizek when he said to the Wall St protestors:

'You need to learn to follow orders.'

Frs, earlier.

>>I'm sick to to with what is happening here. Do you think people would go on the rampage like what happened in August..the most unBritish thing imaginable



Say what? It was, by very definition, British. In what way not? British people, rioting Britishly, in Britain. (OK - so maybe there was the odd Norwegian or something)

And if you know your history, it was *typically* British. This kind of thing used to happen quite a lot in, eg, C19th Manchester. It's a rum idea some have of British history. Some parts are selectively airbrushed out, like the faces of former Soviet politburo members.

End with a song:

If you knew your history, you would know where I'm coming from...

To be honest, I'm surprised that it's taken this long for people to get properly, properly angry about the level of inequality and unfairness in society. Especially - dare I say it - in the US where inequality is much higher, the wealthiest 1% have an even bigger slice of the cake than in the UK, and where advocating some kind of public health system is regarded as communism. I'm a bit reluctant to put too much faith in my understanding of the US, not being from there and never having visited, but I'm surprised it's taken this long. Especially as it doesn't appear just to be the poor and disenfranchised, but the hard working middle classes who are being extremely hard done by.

In 'The Spirit Level', there is overwhelming evidence that everyone does better in more equal societies. Yet in the UK at least, we're hell bent on hurtling in the opposite direction, and a crisis caused by the folly, greed, and incompetence of a few is being paid for by the many, while those responsible carry on as if nothing had happened. No serious steps are taken to prevent a re-occurrence. The craven, dishonest government pretends that "we're all in this together" when nothing could be further from the truth. Rampant inflation, VAT rises, soaring utility bills, plummeting real terms pay. Except for the fat cats, of course.

Meanwhile their mates in the media spew out a diet of hatred and bile and offer up scapegoats and distractions. The public sector crashed the economy. The sick and disabled are scroungers. Everyone who is unemployed is a scrounger. Anyone not find the "tent-gate" stories about London Occupy deeply suspicious? Oh look, a distraction.

We should be mad as hell, and we shouldn't take it any more. If that means Occupy, that's fine by me.

Yes...but there's Cultural Hegemony, isn't there? The pervading assumption that the world *has* to be like this or else we'd be in a right old pickle.

Actually...I do somewhat agree with Effers that Occupy is something of a damp squip. Not because her luvvie friends are chuckling snidely as only luvvies can...but because they haven't really started yet. They need to be goaded into action - and we with them.

Maybe this will be the 'Community based' action that Effers is after. But I don't see Occupy as *separate* to that. It's more that they - and the church, even - are in the vanguard. Them and people like the public sector unions.

What are we waiting for?

End with a song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLq7EcvRaf0

(This is a response to the original post in the light of the rest of the thread)





'But is anyone else following Occupy Wall St and Occupy elsewhere?

What are you thinking and feeling about that?'



Yes, I have been following it and yes, I have thoughts and feelings about it, but:

'It's developed into a thread of solidarity and sharing knowledge and information.'(post 205)

dissenting opinions not welcome anymore on this thread




I'm certainly glad this 'movement' has been an absolutely drowned squib where I live.


It says nothing to 99% of the people in my city, as indicated by the fact that they can't seem to get more than a dozen or two out to their little campout where they have signs demanding 'Open borders!' and 'One World Currency!' and 'No income tax!' (the 1% would like that, wouldn't they?) and 'Find Free Energy!()

Occupy Edmonton is a joke.

I can't comment on it as it manifests in any other jurisdiction (except hootoo, and I have: dissenting opinions not allowed on 'Occupy h2g2', despite the original post requesting said opinions.)

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I wonder how many of the Occupy sites world wide are suffering the equivalent of pre-moderation. Because the folks with the money control Gannett and Fox and the other news outlets. And they are only going to publicize what they think will help them.
And until they get some way to convince the Powers that Be to redistribute some of that wealth and create more jobs ( rather than just say they wil do it) they are just desperadoes accomplishing little for all their inconvenience.