h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Hmmm, I think that might be a good idea. He doesn't even deserve to be yelled at.

Okay, maybe I over-simplified the idea of Potholing I do know what it is, I have a friend who's a mad caver. He delights in finding the most remote, untouched, unexplored caves and getting lost in them. Well, not *all* the time.

Re: toilets: leaving the seat down (yes, I know what you mean) is just gross. I've never lived with anyone who does it but I find it in public toilets all the time. Yecch!

Thanks for the clarification. P'hul's post was a little abstract, that's all. I didn't mean any offense...

If everyone learned decent toilet seat ettiquet, it would probably end all war. Maybe.

-jb

Yes, sorry for the abstractedness, I was just reading over all this and wondered if anyone understood what I said before I read on. Ha-Ha! (Hey you guys I'm watching 'Grease 2' at Grey's house, and she's on vacation. It's so stupid but I like it better than the origional.) Anyways, I was talking about mid-life crisis. No offense taken.

And: Learning toilet seat ettiquet would only be a beginning, I'm afraid.
I guess I am quite vague, & stuff...

Okay, I think I should try again...

I think most old men with at least some money to spend, spend their mid life crisis on denial of getting older. Their look, and trying to prove to everyone else that they are not getting old, is really only trying to prove it to themselves. I am not a psychiatrist, therapist, etc., I know, but this is what I see. Oldening women do the same thing

P.S. I didn't know that about spelunking not being the same as whatever is is now. I think that I learned that term from 'Where in the World is Carmen San Diego', or whatever it was called. And that was the what they called the occupation, of --- whatever Potholer is

'Oldening'? Lay off the crack P'hulio.

j/k you know I love you.

Occupation? - I wish.

I didn't know about the drift in usage of 'spelunker' myself until I happened upon a US based caver's mailing list - it seems though the word has fallen into disrepute inside the serious caving community, they haven't gone overboard to try to change how the population at large uses it, but there does appear to be a very fine line in US caving between educating the public, and keeping rather quiet to try to minimise the number of cavers, and hence wear and tear on caves.

My uncle Joe (~37 years old) is a police officer, and is up for retirement in about 3 years. Just about time for a mid-life crisis? Of course! He just went off and spent $7000 on a snow-mobile (it is now spring in NY). He and my aunt were looking to buy a new home (not any more) but now, apparently, Debbie (my aunt) has a little extra spending (uhh, sorry hon...) money. ~grin~

I wouldn't want to be called a spelunker. To many kids who pick their noses are called that (nose spelunkers). Caver wouldn't work as well; it doesn't have the loftiness.

-jb

And ptoholer can be confused with potholder.

No offense Potholer, I really did think that the first time I saw your name.

No offence taken, GR
I do like the name, it's semi-descriptive but still fairly vague, hardly anyone else uses it, but most people can spell it. Ideal for the net.

PS
What's a potholder - sort of like a large cupholder?

No, it's not like a cup holder. A potholder is something used to protect your hands from getting burned when you take a pot off the stove or something out of the oven.

I know that you must have them, what do you call them?

Oh yeah, I like your name too.

Aha.

Over here we'd call them oven gloves / oven mitts (or at least that's what we'd call the things we use, assuming we didn't use a towel instead.)

To make things more confusing, there's also an item vaguely like two mittens joined by a band of fabric that also gets called by the same term, but it'd be a little hard to describe.

I know exactly what you're talking about. I have a Christmas one in my kitchen.

-Another tally here for oven mitt-

Potholders here. Their use (however infrequent) is accompanied by swearing and/or the rapid movement of hot pans to the place they were ment to be. My potholders are too thin.

-jb

Probably, because we didn't expect it to actually happen. It's something we learn, though.

I hope so. I've know guys who need to learn it.

learn what?

How to say they don't want to be with you.

Life is really depressing.

What's up?

-jb