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Post 141

Researcher 188007

The standard one is 'kh' - used for Russian, Arabic and other languages.


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Post 142

Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am...

Unfortunately 'kh' is usually a much harsher sound than 'ch', and would only spread the mispronuncation of 'loch' as 'lock'.


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Post 143

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Yes - but you need to use IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) which renders it as a Greek lower-case 'chi'


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Post 144

Researcher 188007

There are two similar sounds which in English can only be represented by 'kh'. They have the IPA symbols 'x' and [chi]. The first one is the less guttural of the two.


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Post 145

Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am...

IPA? smiley - drool

Oh, right... you're not talking about India Pale Ale... smiley - blush


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Post 146

Researcher 188007

smiley - biggrin No, that IPA tends to produce a more gulpy sort of a sound smiley - cheers


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Post 147

Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am...

But nevertheless useful for communicating with people whose language consists of gulps and swallows.


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Post 148

Lucky Llareggub - no more cannibals in our village, we ate the last one yesterday..

I'm "lucky Llareggub" and you can pronounce my surname, which is in fact an invented place name, backwards.
Llareggub is the 'Under Milk Wood' invention of poet Dylan Thomas for the town of Newport in Wales. A good way to learn how to pronounce the Welsh 'Ll' is to parrot Richard Burton's pronounciation in the above mentioned play for voices
or just call me lucky smiley - winkeye


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Post 149

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Shoulders back Llovely boy.smiley - winkeye

I've always found that pronouncing 'clan' while trying to remove a fur ball from the back of my throat gives the 'Ll' sound.smiley - biggrin


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Post 150

chorlton

Llama's at home 'llook out llarry it's the llandlord'


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Post 151

airscotia-back by popular demand

I'm actually fluent in Welsh.........Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, i can pronounce them all.smiley - biggrin


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Post 152

Lucky Llareggub - no more cannibals in our village, we ate the last one yesterday..

Bet you can't say chwech!


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Post 153

airscotia-back by popular demand

Queck ?

I'm an fairly good at Ystradganlais smiley - winkeye


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Post 154

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

It's a common misconception that there's a C sound in Ll - as in 'Clandudno', the traditional Scouse pronunciation of Llandudno.

S'easy (if you had a Welsh grandmother, like I did smiley - winkeye). Fold the tip of your tongue up to the roof of your mouth, as if saying L, then blow air around each side.

Steve Bell, the Grauniad's 'If' cartoonist, invented the placenames Llan-y-Cradoc and Pant-y-Gwrdwl.

'And I do hope your donuts turn out like Fanny's' smiley - biggrin


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Post 155

F F Churchton

When I was younger I kept on calling Hemel Hampstead, Hemel Hamster!!!


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Post 156

Lucky Llareggub - no more cannibals in our village, we ate the last one yesterday..

Claughton in Lancashire is pronounced Klafton.

Yes, granny was right (ain't they always?) folding the tongue against the roof of the mouth and blowing is a good way to learn to do Ll.


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Post 157

Medibot

I knew this would bother me!!
On this page:

http://www.red4.co.uk/welsh/dictionary/w2e/p.htm

you'll find the audio pronunciation of 'pwll'. Add and 'elly' and you're sorted.


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Post 158

KateBygrave


What about Kingston upon Hull which tends to pronounced "Ul"?

Gosh, all those silent letters!

We have a road here in Cambridge called Queen's Road which is often pronounced "The Backs"! Coincidentally and confusingly there is a stretch of river nearby also know as "The Backs".

smiley - winkeye


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Post 159

Lucky Llareggub - no more cannibals in our village, we ate the last one yesterday..

Bush calls nuclear weapons nule-kear weapons.


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Post 160

Ste

I thought it was more "nuke-u-lar"?


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