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Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15561

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Pshaw! *Everybody* knows what a schwa is! smiley - run


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15562

Recumbentman

OED puts a schwa in its pronunciation for synechdoche: si-NECK-d*-ki.

The * stands here for the schwa. Note that the last vowel in the word is different from Ed's (American?) one: it's an i as in kit.


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15563

Recumbentman

OED gives the pronunciation of zeugma as ZYOO-gm* where the y is as in yes and the oo as in boon, and * is once again a schwa.

They also give a nice example from 1586: His loosnesse ouercame all shame; his boldnesse, feare; his madnesse, reason.

And from 1882: By the figure of speech called zeugma, or rather syllepsis, the same word..is often made to serve two purposes in the same sentence. A verb is often used with two clauses which is only appropriate to one of them, as in Pope's line 'See Pan with flocks, with fruits Pomona crowned.'


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15564

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

I'm offering a prize for the first person to introduce the word 'zeugma' into a conversation.


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15565

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - bigeyes

Yes I'd like you to meet 'zeugma'.
'Zeugma' this is British English.
Oh! You've met.

smiley - run
~jwf~


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15566

You can call me TC

Is "Time flies like bananas" a zeugma? On second thoughts, it can't be, as there is only one object. What is it then? It's not *just* a pun....


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15567

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum



>> just <<

How about:

'Just doing just work just for fun.'

Is that a zeugma?


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15568

Gnomon - time to move on

The original of that was "Time flies like an arrow", which a computer gave one possible interpretation of as "flies of the type known as "time flies" have a liking for an arrow. The computer scientist hadn't thought of that interpretation and was surprised. He invented the sentence to highlight it:

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

That _is_ a zeugma.


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15569

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum



smiley - ta

And now for something comepletely different:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/bllcks/facts/spanish.shtml

WARNING: Contents under pressure and may contain nuts.
ALSO POSSIBLY OFFENSIVE TO THOSE WHO OBJECT TO 'bllcks',
but hey, it's a BBC site so it can't be that bad.

smiley - run
~jwf~


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15570

turvy (Fetch me my trousers Geoffrey...)

Avocados you say... http://www.calicoonline.co.uk/prod_desc_TS20.html?sno=298

t.


Soothly we live in mighty times

Post 15571

Cheerful Dragon

I read every one of those nutty facts, and I'd like to take issue with one of them. 'Testify' does not come from a Roman habit of putting their hand on their 'bits' when they swore an oath. You can find the truth of the matter here: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-swe1.htm

Unfortunately, I don't have a man handy so I can grasp his 'bits' while I swear that it's true.


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Post 15572

Recumbentman

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. That _is_ a zeugma."

I think not; it has to make double use of a word that is only uttered once to qualify, as for instance

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies, a banana.

(Not an improvement.)

But it seems the yoking aspect is the dual use of a single word, and reiteration unyokes the oxen. You have to hit the ground running, the nail on the head, and new heights of absurdity all at once.

It may be even more arcane: there is a suggestion that part of the figure is the inappropriateness of the yoked word to one of its contexts. In that case you'd have to blow your trumpet and your banners too.
smiley - popcorn
Which brings us back to good ole mixed metaphors. This one I heard on a political chat show (Nightly News with Vincent Browne) last week. Our leader, Brian Cowen, was "caught between the cross hairs of an economic tsunami." Beat that. smiley - laughsmiley - wah


Avocado

Post 15573

Recumbentman

That article on avocado etymology is sloppy. The word in Spanish in 'aguacate' not 'aguacote', and it doesn't mean testicle, it means avocado pear.

The fruit comes from South America and so does the name. 'Avocado' is an approximation for the Aztec word, 'ahuacatl', which does indeed also mean testicle--in the Nahuatl language, not in Spanish. That would be 'testiculo' or informally 'cojón'.

Load of cojones.


Avocado

Post 15574

You can call me TC

I apologise for getting the quote wrong, but my hunch that it wasn't quite a zeugma now seems right. They're quite hard to think up if you stick rigidly to the rules. Thanks for putting me right, Gnomon and Recumbentman.



Avocado

Post 15575

Bald Bloke

Load of cojones.

I just hope those don't belong to a canine... >post 21


Avocado

Post 15576

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

If you google 'zeugma examples', you get a few pages' worth. Alanis Morisette gets a mention.

http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Alison/lexophilia/sub-things/zeugma.html

I liked:
'The farmers in the valley grew potatoes, peanuts and bored.'

Syllepsis seems to be a particular sub-class of zeugma whereby one of the repeated words is...smiley - erm...missing - ie it's there elliptically. Such as:

'He laid carpets and housewives by the score.'


Avocado

Post 15577

Gnomon - time to move on

But that suggests that it is still a zeugma if the word with two meanings appears twice, as in the "Time flies" sentence.


Avocado

Post 15578

You can call me TC

<> ... is not necessariy a zeugma, although if you faint (verb not adjective) you probably don't need to be told to discontinue!


Avocado

Post 15579

Gnomon - time to move on

There's a song "Have Some Madeira, M'Dear" by Flanders and Swann which features zeugmas:

And he said as he hastened to put out the cat, the wine, his cigar and the lamps...

She lowered her standards by raising her glass, her courage, her eyes and his hopes...

When he asked, "What in Heaven?" she made no reply, up her mind, and a dash for the door...

smiley - smiley


Avocado

Post 15580

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Oh, nice! smiley - smiley


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