h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Sorry I’m not a feminist

That’s right you herd me,
Dr Anthea is not a feminist, quick everyone run and hide from this freak of nature

I love childeren, I look forward to some day becoming a mother,
but acording to some women I've herd this makes me some sort of social throwback and I should imediately drop out of university since I'm obviously just wasting an education that someone else would make good use of,

I dont care if some man my age will retire five years after i do, I'm happy to think that I wont be claming jobseekers allowence at 60 years old! so why is having to draw a pension after that such a horrable thing?

I want to be a teacher but that dosnt mean that i would put my career infront of my family, thats just obsurd, there is nothing anyone can tell me that makes more sence to me than me staying at home to look after my childeren if my husband is making more money than i am (or even just enough to live on) so that i can be there to here there first word, see there fist step and be bitten by that fist tooth

so I'm sorry ladies if i dont share your ideals and if i dont throw off my bra and burn it all for the sake of so called liberty
you can if you want,
but I am happy the way i am
the rest of you can do what you want
but Dr Anthea is no feminist

Anthea

Fair enough. WWorhish me female!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I lost control for a bit.

Ah young love, the best form of brainwashing there is, wait till it goes down the toilet and you have no choice but to go out to work to support you and the kids

I think your a pesimist Reef
you may think its young love but I'm not brainwashed
I've felt like this since before i knew Joe,
and he and I have been together coming up for two years.
now I know to someone like yourself thats probably not a long time
but he helped me when no one else could and I would like to think that i help him too
so you can be a bitter man hating feminist all you like,
but its simply not for me

I know you probably think that my attitude is something best left in years gone by when "men ruled the world" and "a womans place was in the home" but i like cooking and ironing, odd eh?

and as for wasting an education that rubbish can go where it belongs on a dump. for as far as i am conserned childern learn most from there parents so why not give them more to learn by brodening your own horisons,

there is a new study out that sugests that it is better for childeren to be with there parents, since at nursery without that one to one attention they can become withdrawn and even agresive,

I will stick to what i know is the right thing to do
and you keep your feminist ideals but dont tell me i dont know what I am talking about,
I may be young, but I'm not stupid

I'm NOT repeat NOT a bitter, man, hating feminist, ask Excelsior, I've HAD to work, being a single parent and getting no help from my ex, I would have loved to stay at home with Alex and watched her grow up, cooked, cleaned and have supper on the table when the man of the house came home but circumstances wouldn't let me. Fate has only recently decided that I've paid enough Karma and let me live the way I wanted to from the start, I can now spend they days with Alex and work in the evenings.
If you want to look at the world through rose coloured specs that's you perogative, but remember, life has a habit of kicking you in the a$$ when you least expect it.

I'd just like to direct you to Werekitty's journal where my long winded response is. Mainly because I'm not sure if Anth is subscribed.

you see Reef I dont think I am looking through rose tinted specticals
but if you only expect the worst in life than you cant blame everyone else when things go wrong
I wasnt having a go at you personally,
your not the only feminist around,
there are quite a few at university,
its them i disagree with so I didnt mean to offend you
I just dont beleve in the stance that if you get a good education you should work yourself to death instead of looking after your childeren
I respect mothers who have no choice but to work for a living
what i do disagree with are those that have that choice,
when they live in a fancy house with several cars and enough money to go the year without working a day and still not worry,
its the people where both parents are working full time jobs and sending there childeren to nursery just so they can have a two month holiday in the carabeian

i herd of a family where both parents were working full time and the mother was paying her entiere wage to the nanny....
that is the type of thing i disagree with not working because you have to to support your family.

I have no problem with women working after they have childeren
I just think that they should spend more effort on raising the child than working if they can afford to do so

I have to respect your beliefs in this one, Anthea, but, as with many things, I have a view that differs slightly.

That family you mentioned, with the mother giving her wage to the nanny?

I am, of course, assuming that this "nanny" is not a grandmother, but a childminder.

This is a perfectly normal way of doing things. In many families, the parents share a joint bank account, where the combined money goes into a "pool", so to speak, and money for essentials is drawn from it.

If the mother did not work in this situation, then the wage of the father would have to cover the cost of living himself. The mother would undoubtedly eventually go absolutely stark raving mad from sitting in the same environment all day, every day, with very little rest.

That is, however, the job a nanny does. She is paid to do it.

A nanny is usually trained to deal with children, if they are chosen carefully, and they not only teach the children what they need to know before they begin school, they also save the mother of a family (or, now more frequently than ever, the father of a family) a lot of mental strain, which comes of dealing with, in order of development, constantly hungry babies, screaming and running toddlers, petulant children, and sulky teenagers.

If, however, if both parents have jobs, then there is more money to spare for the family, the nanny is in work and earning money, which they can use to support their own family, and the children don't get sick of looking at a parent following their every move as they get older.

I am aware that you will probably begin spewing anti-feminist stuff back at me, but this is my view. I just felt I should share it.

Tobias

For the last time I'm NOT a feminist, I do believe women should be treated equally, but I'm not the militant type you seem to be grouping all other feminists with.

Sorry, did I say you were?

No, sorry I was replying to Anthea

You seem to be saying that because the father of the children is a man he has no right to be the one that stays at home and looks after the kids.
I have absolutely no objection to men or women staying at home and caring for the kids and sorting out the housework. I do however see it as a huge luxury.
I was raised by my mum who not only looked after me, did all the housework, but also supported me on her own with virtually no help from my paternal unit.
The fact that the retirement age is different for men and women is not acceptable. If you would be quite happy to go back to being an inferior example of humanity in the eyes of the government then I am quite surprised at you. You know that you are the equal of men, I'm surprised you don't expect to be treated as such, or even that you're happy for your future daughters to be treated as such.

And as for burning bras I'm quite happy with it thankyou it cost quite a bit and it means I can run without drawing attention to myself.
I expect equality, but I do recognise the difference between men and women.

And about the nanny thing- why not? Point to two species of social animals that don't use "nannies." Every social/pack animal from dolphins to wolves to penguins raises their young with the help of nannies, technically known as allomothers. This way, the parents can go out and get food and have someone to watch the kids, and return the favor when the babysitter has offspring.

If I went without mine I'd bruise my knees

I wonder what Mrs Pankhurst and her daughters would think of this. They were radical feminists, of a sort, but it's thanks to them that we have a say in how our country is run.

"That family you mentioned, with the mother giving her wage to the nanny?

I am, of course, assuming that this "nanny" is not a grandmother, but a childminder.

This is a perfectly normal way of doing things. In many families, the parents share a joint bank account, where the combined money goes into a "pool", so to speak, and money for essentials is drawn from it.

If the mother did not work in this situation, then the wage of the father would have to cover the cost of living himself. The mother would undoubtedly eventually go absolutely stark raving mad from sitting in the same environment all day, every day, with very little rest.

That is, however, the job a nanny does. She is paid to do it.

A nanny is usually trained to deal with children, if they are chosen carefully, and they not only teach the children what they need to know before they begin school, they also save the mother of a family (or, now more frequently than ever, the father of a family) a lot of mental strain, which comes of dealing with, in order of development, constantly hungry babies, screaming and running toddlers, petulant children, and sulky teenagers.

If, however, if both parents have jobs, then there is more money to spare for the family, the nanny is in work and earning money, which they can use to support their own family, and the children don't get sick of looking at a parent following their every move as they get older.

I am aware that you will probably begin spewing anti-feminist stuff back at me, but this is my view. I just felt I should share it.

Tobias"



no it wasnt that she worked to pay for a nanny i disagreed with its that her entier wadge went to the nanny, nothing she earned was saved or spent in any other way.... it ALL payed for the nanny...
that seemed a little... pointless to tell the truth I have no problem with her working but she didnt earn anything from it surely it would have been better if she had stayed at home in that situation?

I feel the same when childeren are left with nannies/babysitters when there too ill to go to school say with measles or chickenpox or something simaler, I would think that it was better for at least one of the parents to stay at home

and I am sorry if it seemed biased to men about staying at home, they are welcome to do so I have nothing against stay at home dads, as i said somewhere else my views on the situation are a little biased by the fact that i didnt get on with my father but to all those good dads out there i say well done, as well as to those good mums, because i realise that not every woman is a good mum just as not every man is a good dad,

fair enough i think that women who do the same job as men should have the same wadge and i definately agree with women having the vote, I never said otherwise but still i dont see how retireing five years earlyer is such a crime to equality
I know I am equal to men, but i dont mind being allowed to retire five years earlyer, that will change soon anyway if you listen to what the government has to say on the matter,

I'm a bit of a feminist,I'd like to think,but only in that I'd like complete equality - does that make me an equalist?

My own plan is to have my career established before I have a family,so I can support them if I'm ever left on my own,like my dad left my mum with horrible debts when they divorced,but if circumstances lead me to have kids before that - I'll deal with it.I plan on taking maternity leave,but since I want to be a journalist,a lot of my work could be done at home,so for the first few years of their life I'd like to work from home.

I went to toddler group when I was two,two when I was three,nursery when I was four,primary when I was 5.I was quite sociable back then,and when my folks divorced I withdrew into myself,and I've only just got that confidence back.However,my mum didn't work much then,just bank nursing,and she always spent as much time as possible with me.I think if you balance it out right,the kids are fine.Too little time with their parents,however,could result in that aggressiveness Anthea was talking about.

I don't see anything wrong with wanting to stay at home to raise your kids while your spouse works,whether you're male or female,like my mum did.It's completely your own choice.

But bra-burning,in this day and age?...A little extreme,doncha think?Yeah,okay in the 70's,when there wasn't equality except maybe in voting,but not now.

But then,that's just my view.

well I did mean to say that you dont need to burn your bras
it was a sterotype thing and I thought you would pick up on that

womenanimal want a nice honest trustworthy good looking one to cuddle

will this one do?