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Post 1

IctoanAWEWawi

Not sure how many people have watched these or what they thought of them. Interesting programmes I thought, populist science with enough in them to keep a fairly general audience. And no annoying multiply repeated cgi sequences!

BUT

I could not believe it when they showed the Kelvin scale and the plotting done thereon with all the scale references in *degrees* Kelvin! I mean come on, it's such a basic thing, one of those things people are constantly pointing out, surely they could have got that right?


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Post 2

laconian

Agreed. I learned that in schoolboy Physics. Science is all about pedantic accuracy - surely *someone* working on that programme would have pointed it out?


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Post 3

Orcus

Darn it, I knew there was something I'd forgotten to record on my Sky+ box smiley - erm

Ah well, no doubt it will be repeated.


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Post 4

GreyDesk

Orcus, I don't know how you feel about the use of torrent sites, but I can tell you that it is widely available out there if you so choose to look for it smiley - winkeye


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Post 5

There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho

Indeed. I shall be... watching it myself soon smiley - whistle


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Post 6

Arnie Appleaide - Inspector General of the Defenders of Freedom

So you're not supposed to used the phrase "degrees Kelvin"?

Seems like more of an audience thing - most people watching the show wouldn't know about that, and it probably helps to remind them what the unit refers to by adding the word degree in there.


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Post 7

IctoanAWEWawi

Kelvin stopped being degrees kelvin until the 60s (or so says wikipedia) and thereafter the unit is termed 'kelvin' or 'kelvins'. There is no 'degree' to the unit.


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Post 8

Rod

Hardly surprising to hear 'degrees' with it in everyday usage. I for one didn't know it was illegal
and wonder if I'd have recognised 'kelvin' immediately without the 'degrees'. It's hardly surprising that broadcasters do it.

I entered 'kelvin' & & got the commercial site.
I googled 'kelvin' & only the third item was kelvin dot com, so Google management don't give it a high priority...



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Post 9

Potholer

>>"It's hardly surprising that broadcasters do it."

I guess not, if they're scientifically illiterate.

In a programme specifically about low temperatures, you'd think it would be worth taking a few seconds to explain the non-usage of 'degrees' to the audience, assuming 'educate' is still in the BBC science mandate (though looking at a few recent Horizons, I guess it probably isn't).


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Post 10

Seth of Rabi

** wonders what degrees Hertz they broadcast on smiley - smiley **


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Post 11

turvy (Fetch me my trousers Geoffrey...)

No, no, no it's Hertz per second...

turvysmiley - erm


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Post 12

BouncyBitInTheMiddle

Surely a legitimate measurement of rate of change smiley - winkeye.


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Post 13

Traveller in Time Reporting Bugs -o-o- Broken the chain of Pliny -o-o- Hired

Traveller in Time smiley - tit not a clue about the show
"Some colour Temperature values, the unit is in Kelvin smiley - biggrin

Skylight (blue sky) 12,000 - 20,000
Daylight fluorescent (caution!) 6300
Design white fluorescent 5200
Special fluorescents used for color evaluation 5000
Sunlight (1 hour after dawn) 3500
100-watt tungsten halogen 3000
Candle flame 1850 - 1900
Match flame 1700

Fun is; if you extrapolate the graph, you will end below zero at the transmission frequencies smiley - weird "


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Post 14

Potholer

For non-thermal light sources (fluorescents, LEDs, sodium vapour lamps) there may be an equivalent colour temperature, but it would be quite possible to have two non-thermal sources of equivalent colour temperature that had utterly different spectra.

For colour evaluation, having a good CRI may well make more difference than a precise colour temperature, though I guess it can be useful to standardise colour temperature for easy consistency when using multiple lights, though the point picked could be pretty arbitrary.


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