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Post 1

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

I have a head lamp that has a wee flashing light on the top of it that shows if the batteries are good or running low. It annoys me and is redundant for what I use the torch for anyway. I've just pulled the thing apart and see the wee light is part of a circuit board. Can I disconnect that (with pliers?) or do I run the risk of wrecking some of the other functions? (I can't solder it back on)

The other things it does are three LED settings (plus a flashing emergency setting, and the ability to switch between LED and incandescent.


My other question is how much will the wee flashing light affect battery life? I've been told not much, but it's a continuous thing so it must be drawing some power.


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Post 2

Gnomon - time to move on

The flashing light will not noticeably affect your battery life.

The effect of removing it is unpredictable - it probably won't affect anything, but it is hard to be sure.


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Post 3

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

hmm, you'd think that the wee bulb blowing would be alright (it wouldn't be great design if a blown bulb took out all the other functions).


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Post 4

Edward the Bonobo - Gone.

Stick a bit of Duck Tape over it.


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Post 5

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

Did that. It keeps coming off - the bit of plastic that the bulb shines through is a funny surface and shape. I could probably apply myself to solving that problem better than the circuit board one though. Maybe.


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Post 6

Gnomon - time to move on

>>it wouldn't be great design if a blown bulb took out all the other functions

You're right. Except that LEDs aren't bulbs and they generally don't ever fail. So the designer might not have allowed for the failure of the LED.


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Post 7

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

In this case they did, for the main ones at least - there are two slots for spare bulbs. One slot is empty so I assume I've had to replace one of the bulbs at some point.


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Post 8

Gnomon - time to move on

As I said, LEDs aren't bulbs. Are you saying that some of the other LEDs can be replaced?


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Post 9

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

Yeah, my bad. It's the other one that's replaceable (not sure what that is. It shines yellow)

Interesting terminology. Am trying to think what I would ask for if I went into a shop: can I please have a replacement LED? Can I please have a replacement LED bulb? (I wouldn't say Can I please have a replacement light emitting diode? smiley - winkeye).


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Post 10

Gnomon - time to move on

Green LEDs are quite easy to make and Red ones are very easy. In both cases, the colour comes from the quantum-mechanical process that takes place within the "bulb", rather than by any sort of colour filtering. Yellow LEDs are usually made by tying a green one and a red one together.

If you tie them back to back, then the LED will glow green when the current flows in one direction, red when it's flowing the other way, and yellow if it is alternating current.


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Post 11

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

smiley - cool

I meant the replaceable bulb wasn't an LED, it's some other kind. I was going to say halogen, but it has a yellow glow.


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Post 12

Alec Trician. (is keeping perfectly still)

Q1 : Is it a rechargable lamp kea ? If so does the little red LED tell you that it's charging ?

If so, it might be handy to keep it working.

If NOT rechargable, and it just flashes to tell you that it's working, and then flashes differently to tell you to change the batteries, then you CAN simply disable the LED, cut the legs close to the circuit board. It will not affect the function of the lamp.
If the lamp uses regular environmental destruction type batteries, then you will know to replace them when you start bumping into things in the dark.

Plan B might be easier : cover the flash with black nail-varnish or similar paint-like substance.

alec.smiley - clown


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Post 13

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

Thanks Alec. It's definitely a light to tell me when the batteries are getting low. I can tell myself though, because the light gets less bright.

Yes, environmental destruction type batteries (4 x AA). I should get some rechargeables, but I've found in the past that they didn't do very well in that torch. I wonder if that's to do with the flashing bulb - would that constant pull affect the ability of a battery to recharge?

I was also recharging those batteries using a solar recharger, and I wonder if that wasn't working properly. Does it matter if rechargeable batteries of that size get variable charge over the day or days, as opposed to a continuous charge from mains power?


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Post 14

Rod

Rechargeable batteries: I, too, have no satisfaction there, they don't last very long and seem to (no proof, but still) lose charge in the box waiting to be used.

Mind you, they're all more than just a couple of years old - are more recent ones better?


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Post 15

Gnomon - time to move on

There two main types of AA rechargeable battery: NiCad and NiMH. These days, only the cheapest are NiCad. Most new batteries are NiMH.

NiCads can only store a limited amount of power, and they suffer from the memory effect - if you don't discharge them fully, they lose the ability to hold power. If you keep them topped up all the time, they eventually can only produce a tiny amount of power.

NiMH batteries are much better. You can top them up as often as you like. They only seem to last about 2 years, then their ability to hold power drops off and they lose their charge after a few weeks of non-use.


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Post 16

Rod

Thanks, Gnomon.
Now it's case for reassessment - economy calculations and date labels...
maybe not.


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Post 17

kea ~ Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded but very well read blue and white website

2 years... is that irrespective of use? ie if sitting for 2 years they would lose recharge capacity?


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Post 18

Gnomon - time to move on

The 2-year thing is only from my personal experience. But yes, I'd say they lose their capacity for recharge whether you use them or not after about 2 years.


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Post 19

Alec Trician. (is keeping perfectly still)

Indeed...unless you cycle the charge religously...
Thou shalt never recharge unless completely discharged.
Thou shalt never exceed the maximum charging rate in milliamperes.
Thou shalt never leave the battery laying around in the garage for months on end without using it and recharging.
...NiCads will soon lose interest in being useful.

The rechargables available in equivalent sizes, AA,AAA,D etc. have a maximum fully charged voltage of only 1.2 Volts, due to chemistry/size restrictions.
Compare this to a fresh environmentally destructive battery which leaps out of the pack with 1.58 Volts and makes your lamp really bright for a while.Then it settles down to 1.5 Volts.
With your 4 batteries in series :
1.2V + 1.2V + 1.2V + 1.2V = 4.8V rechargable.
1.5V + 1.5V + 1.5V + 1.5V = 6.0V non-rechargable.
Makes a big difference to an old-fashioned light-bulb.smiley - eureka

alec.smiley - clown




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