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If the universe is infinite, then im "a" center, 21+4^1+8+9=42 Started conversation Nov 29, 2004
doing some study into patterns of primes, what do i search for to find the gap between primes? eg:
2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23
is
1 2 2 2 2 4 2 4
so its when you take a prime and minus the prime before it, what would i search for to find all of these? i cannot be bothered working out by hand, i just need the name of this or something. thank you
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tzjin_anthony_ks Posted Nov 29, 2004
this might help..
http://primes.utm.edu/glossary/page.php?sort=Log
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Mu Beta Posted Nov 29, 2004
Don't get optimistic. No-one's found any patterns yet.
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Hoovooloo Posted Nov 29, 2004
And hope that they don't. Secure internet sites depend on the random distribution of prime numbers for their security. If there turns out to be a pattern, amazon, ebay, everybody who trades online is stuffed, overnight.
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pedro Posted Nov 29, 2004
I don't know that much about maths, but I think the no1 problem is exactly what you're after, and it's called the Riemann Hypothesis. I think the hypothesis is that there IS a way to work out the gaps between the primes.
If you do work it out, can I have 10% of the several million$ you win please.
Just for putting you on the right track
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If the universe is infinite, then im "a" center, 21+4^1+8+9=42 Posted Nov 30, 2004
how much exactly is it worth?
my belief...theres enough knowledge about primes in the world to solve it...but not everyone will let there information be shared, if everyone was together in one room, and they all put forth the information they knew, and togethey they all tried.....they might find it.
Well the sites should upgrade to quantum incription, that seems impossible to hack.
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Fathom Posted Nov 30, 2004
The Reimann Hypothesis is just another way of saying that the primes are randomly distributed. This has been tested by computer to zillions of primes (up to prime numbers of more than a hundred digits) and so far has not been disproven.
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Mu Beta Posted Nov 30, 2004
Quantum encryption is indeed impossible to hack. The only problem is that we've got no way of making it yet.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Nov 30, 2004
surely it just means you have to write the message down in really, really, really small letters?
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Baron Grim Posted Nov 30, 2004
Yes... really small letters that will change if you look at them... or even if you don't.... and you can't be too sure where you wrote them down... or when...
Definitely uncrackable.
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Mu Beta Posted Nov 30, 2004
Sadly, it's not quite that simple.
It's all about polarising individual photons of light and hoping they stay like that.
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If the universe is infinite, then im "a" center, 21+4^1+8+9=42 Posted Dec 1, 2004
so does anyone know how much money an answer is worth?
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Fathom Posted Dec 1, 2004
There's a $1 million prize for the first person to either prove or disprove the Riemann Hypothesis. Demonstrating that primes are not randomly distributed should be sufficient.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Dec 1, 2004
so is being a prime number a function of the base of a number (I assume not, I assume a prime is a prime in any base?) or an inherent property of the specific number?
Or is that what you are trying to find out?
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If the universe is infinite, then im "a" center, 21+4^1+8+9=42 Posted Dec 1, 2004
weeeee i have spent 3 days of constant thinking, and i really believe ive found a pattern. and i had karma on my side, something extremely bad happened to me that i didnt deserve.....and then i discovered the best thing yet. and the funny thing is, i wouldnt of found it if the really bad thing hadnt of happened.
i just need to do a lot more investigation into this and see if theres any problems that i can fix up. wish me luck.
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Ami of zx - no badgers here! Posted Dec 1, 2004
Umm good luck mate!
Now about this pattern...It's great that you've "found" one and that you've been thinking about the problem but, sorry to say, finding a pattern will not solve the riemann hypothesis. Plenty of people (mathematicians and non-mathematicians alike) have found a pattern in the prime numbers. But the real problem is proving that this pattern ALWAYS works. Like someone already said on this thread, they've checked prime numbers up to 200 digits long and a pattern that always works hasn't been found yet.
Basically, there's an infinite number of primes, so there is an infinite number of "differences" between two consecutive primes. To disprove the riemann hypothesis you don't just have to find a pattern that works for heaps and heaps of the infinitely many prime numbers, you have to PROVE that it works for every single prime number, and every possible prime number (because there's no highest prime). That would show that the primes aren't randomly distributed.
So, heaps and heaps of luck to you
Ami of zx
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