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Post 1

?

Well, now the dirty laundry is all out, the cat is out of the bag, I'm hanging out to dry, my neck is stuck way out ...!

Still, this is really important to consider for all y'all out there who care for home and country and for the good it stands for.

Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark is adamantly opposed to the revocation of our (U.S.) constitutional rights. He has started a petition to impeach President Bush et al.

Click link below to go to the web site, get more info., and sign the petition that Clark will deliver to Congress.

As a former Attorney General, Clark understand the grounds for impeachment and has prepared Articles of Impeachment that can be viewed by clicking on the web site link. Clark spells it out succinctly.


http://www.votetoimpeach.org


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Post 2

Wampus

Okay, I put my vote in.

Unfortunately, H2G2 isn't the best place for this link. Probably a majority of the readers here are British, which excludes them from petitioning the House of Representatives.

But for any American out there, I'd highly advise clicking on the link and filling out the form. Unless this turns out to be a giant hoax.


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Post 3

26199

Hmm, well, it doesn't appear on snopes.com, so it probably (smiley - biggrin) isn't a hoax...

I didn't find this though:

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/onevote.htm

Mostly offtopic, but apparently (nearly) all those stories you hear of elections being won or lost 'because of a single vote' aren't, in fact, true...


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Post 4

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

smiley - laugh


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Post 5

?

It's a fact; there's a lotta 'mercans out and about this web site!

Douglas Adams couldna become as big as he did without the huge fan following he has in the US. Mini Britain, good as she is at picking items that become winners in the former colonies, just don't got it anymore; she just can't give that kinda size to anyone or anything, not without us 'mercans, try to manipulate us as she may.

So, all I can say fellow 'mercan citizens, do your duty, at the very least, participate!


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Post 6

Narapoia

Way to go, merkins!


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Post 7

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

Come on then you rowdy colonists, get impeaching!smiley - laugh


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Post 8

Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents.

I would so sign it... except a) they ask for my address and I don't feel comfortable giving out my *home* address online - and if I give my uni address I would be addressing a different representitive (different states) and b) I'm going to the UK this June, and want to be let back into the country at some point here. smiley - erm


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Post 9

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

Awww, the perils of living in the land of the freesmiley - laugh


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Post 10

Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents.

Yeah, yeah, don't rub it in. smiley - tongueout

smiley - winkeye


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Post 11

?

you've got a lot more at stake here than your ability to go and come Amy! And, hey you brits, can't you put paid to Blair and put in someone with a backbone and a less mealy mouth?


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Post 12

Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents.

I'm well aware of that "?", but there is also the slight possibility someone's just collecting mailing addresses to send pariphanalia to.

And coming and going is very important for me - my boyfriend is British, and I have to depend on the kindness of customs officials for us to see each other.


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Post 13

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

It doesn't matter who we elect... the UK is still economically dependant on the US has been since the second world war... it was US policy to turn the most powerful Empire of all time into it's B!tch...
Besides some folk actually believe that Brits are liked in the US and that noone there actually buys that 250 year old properganda from the war of independance...


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Post 14

Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents.

Indeed - the only people that still even care about any national tensions from the Revolutionary war are the same ones who claim the Civil war still isn't over. smiley - erm


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Post 15

?

why should customs or any other officers prevent you from going and coming. Time to take another look at the constitution and English Common Law perhaps?


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Post 16

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

Homeland Security... duh...


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Post 17

Amy: ear-deep in novels, poetics, and historical documents.

Mhmm... though it's technically against my rights as a US citizen, if they know I dissent in any way... you just never know.


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Post 18

?

The First Amendment of the US Constitution grants freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, as well as the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government.

*These are _not privileges, but legal rights that we can exercise even if we offend someone or agitate some government official.*

Not so many years ago, there was a petition created that had the text of the Bill of Rights on it. All indications that it was the Bill of Rights, except for the actual text, were taken out of the petition. However, Americans refused to sign it, thinking it was too radical.

That is the measure of our ignorance.

Americans are still badly out of touch with reality and the road we are headed down is lunacy. Level heads and responsible minds are of the minority these days.

*Government has become blindly supported ... and that's called patriotism?*

Finally, Ben Franklin warned the American people to not trade liberty for security and said those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither.


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Post 19

Stealth "Jack" Azathoth

But it's not as though this form of Patriotism is new... it's Jefferson's idea of what it is to a US citizen...

The bill of rights was much more conservative than anything that would have been implimented under British rule... it was conservative re write of the principals of the English civil war... [those fought for not those implimented under the protectorate]...

US citizens are ignorant, yet to say so is Anti-American...

A psychopath that lacks the wit to question the Military advisers of whom he is ment to be in command... it isn't lunacy it is military dictatorship brought about by the media fed paranoia of people that have lost the arrogant assumption that they are untouchable because of the God chosen supremacy...


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Post 20

RAF Wing... Lookee I'm Invisible!!

The Bill of Rights were amendments meant to gain the support of those who thought the extension of Federal power was a mistake and the Articles of Confederation should be retained.

Those Articles may have been influenced by the Puritan revolution, but it's more likely they were influenced by the Haudenosaunee Great Council Fire or similar indigenous confederations. As you say, the Protectorate wouldn't have sponsored such things.

And Ky has noted that the language of the amendments has been often associated with revolutionary rhetoric, which it probably is to people who have traditionally been ruled, not ruled themselves. So now someone can protest that they fear they will be inconvenienced by customs officials if they support impeaching King George the Pretender.

"These are times that try men's souls!"

Yes, indeed, but it could be worse and it probably will get worse unless the American people rein in the Clown Prince and his sponsors. What are you waiting for? A little slogan like Work and Live over the camp gate? You can't make deals with the devil because the devil lies and never keeps his contracts.

The purpose of the exercise is not to preserve your life, liberty or happiness (aka private property). The purpose is to deny you those things so a few can enjoy more of them.

Why?

Because the sponsors have already denied those things to the people you consider beneath your stations and they're running out of victims.

You can't hang on to your rung on the ladder of success because success is a marketing illusion used to keep the suckers coming back to the casino. Actually, the odds are more favorable in a casino than in the so-called free market.

Jefferson once envisioned a nation of freeholders, standing independently on their own land, providing resourcefully for their own sustenance and defying the sovereign majesties of the world. I shouldn't have to point out how far from that vision America has strayed.

The contemporary reality is a nation of beholders, beholding to banks and corporations, a recapitulation of the same old feudal nonsense their ancestors allegedly fled from in Europe. Having trampled the native population for their lords and masters, they now gather around the tables in the great halls and boardrooms looking for remission of their debts and falling for the same baloney over and over.

The American Dream shouldn't be about SUVs and fitness club memberships. It should be about life, liberty and common property that can be used and enjoyed by all according to their need, not their greed.

Jefferson had many fine ideas, many borrowed from the Iroquois or similar indigenous people, but in practice he was a slaveholding lord of the manor. He could talk the talk but he couldn't or wouldn't walk the walk.

That's unfortunately a presidential precedent that has subsequently become quite popular. And you can do that practically forever as long as the population of suckers is replenished according to PT Barnum's dictum.

But, I ask, is that truly a good way to live? Or find love? Or happiness? Or security? Or raise children?

Please, reconsider, then take sustantial steps to stop the madness and impeach the bastard. Maybe you can't do any better but, by doing nothing, you can sure do a lot worse.

"That government that governs best governs least." Good old revolutionary rhetorical Tom Paine. You got to love him, right? Especially because the lords of the manors didn't.


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