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No-one in China because it was hushed up by the government.
How can they remember him when they were prevented from knowing about him in the first place?


But he is very well remembered elsewhere for his courage. Not just in my mind but by millions of people.

I think what he did takes a lot more courage than being a suicide-bomber. They die in a flash: who can say how he met his end?

majortso,

1 It is found you are really both funny and annoying...doubt in real life how do you communicate with others, hehe, anyway, you are reminded again of that you should learn how to distinguish the necessity and courage for such actions. In other words, let me make it clear, if I find it necessary to conduct a peaceful protest, why not, that is, in fact, acceptable by both law and practice in CHINA.

2 My silence ? you mean I'm busy in earing my life is somewhat silent, ok, that's a point. But I do think speaking loudly means you are standing on truth.

3 I don't know what's the basis of your judgment, from many sources of media including this BBC and CNN, I can not identify any peaceful demonstration but a riot, assaulting and killing innocent Han Chinese, burning shops and cars... Let me go a little outlying topic. You want to free Tibet , where do you want to put it back? A Utopia kingdom? Oh a lost heaven to those slave masters? You can dream of it, no objection, but you need to know, most of Tibetan before 1949 are only slaves, see if they like to back to old times.. I, myself, happen to have know some Zhaxi's in Linzhi, a county located in east of Tibet, we phoned each other occasionally in the past years. Don;t tell me they like a separated Tibet from China. You can not cheat on me on this..

WG, That's not true, no one in China, because we don't like this kind of actions. He was remembered by Millions of people (? doubtable, but anyway) only because that video was deliberately propagandized by some machines.
He is just nothing but understanding the army in front him is restrained, I tell you, no one in Iraq dares to stand in front of a US tank like that..

Tomorrow is a holiday of China, for memorial of our lost relationships, friends and ancestors. So enjoy your time here. See ya...

purpleDavidl,

You keep beating around the bush until chinese kingdom come, without giving a straight answer to any of the questions asked. I have no time to fritter away. May be the heavenly chinese system whose virtues you so extol provides you enough time to fritter away, or you are an apparatchik out there, or you are not even in China.

As for slavery, people who live in glass houses should cast no stones. See:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6733045.stm
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/China.htm
http://orion.oac.uci.edu/~dbell/Wilbur.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHFv8W530LE
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/mar/04030908.html
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/06/17/modern-slavery-in-china-status-of-chinese-worker/
http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2007/06/chinas-slavery-problem.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Chinas_slavery_scam_exposed/articleshow/2127136.cms
http://www.opendemocracy.net/democracy_power/china_inside/slave_labour_china

And, above all, your own People's Daily in Peking:
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http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200706/15/eng20070615_384539.html

Chinese police have rescued 248 people who had been forced to work as 'slaves' in brick kilns, while widespread crackdown is underway.

Police in central Henan Province have rescued 217 people, including 29 children, and detained 120 suspects after a 4-day crackdown campaign involving more than 35,000 police to check 7,500 kilns in the province.

In the area around Xinxiang, north of Zhengzhou, police raided 20 brick kilns on Saturday and rescued 23 people including 16 children.
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And you talking about slavery in Tibet once upon a time?

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While you may be right about this, there are some things that are a concern about China.

The Tiananmen Square episode was a long time ago now, but for a government to kill hundreds of its own people is quite exceptional these days. Perhaps it wouldn't happen now.

Also, why do the authorities in China put people in prison for their religious beliefs?

I am a business man on foreign trade.I am now worried about World/China's Economy blooming or recession.and I don't zeal for politics,although china faced many problem like now U.S or the world do.CCP is undertaking reforms,I can observe that.the process furfilled with tough,pain,tears.Being a citizen I believe in the tomorrow will be fine.

When I was in college,I liked listening to BBC from radio.Not because I like to get more close to the westerner's Think/Technology/Democracy/Economy/Life...,but for one of my major study is English.remembered that time our mentor would record one piece of BBC news as a audio-test,in order that we could get improved on English listening and speaking.oh~ to listen,to speak,is quite a course.At the point of xi'zang(tibet)affairs,I think BBC media have listened little.and speak in a misleading way.that's what I see.

I don't believe Communism or CCP,but I know Stability improves welfare that what Keynes said.

pls don't watch the matter through colored glasses,and pls don't always say that China's attitude is "let other countries mind their own business"(BBC reporter).because the same problem may happen to you,what we were expecting is a way to solve the problem good,the mainstream for the whole courtry's public.

In the history 148 years ago,your ancestor had robed and burnt the Winter Palace in Beijing.can I read as english people's selfish? ok, all had past

We believe that the CCP know that mainstream and will hold and handle it well.

>>148 years ago,your ancestor had robed and burnt the Winter Palace in Beijing<<

148 years ago (or near enough) my ancestors were forced out of Ireland because of the worst famine in modern European history. This was caused by the UK as well.

The key difference is that the UK is completely honest about its past. We can talk about the Potato Famine, or the Scramble for Africa, or the various atrocities which happened in India under the Raj. We can acknowledge the UK was completely wrong.

Can you do the same with China and the CCP?

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it is very difficult to let some western guys accept the truth about Tibet Riot,why? because they are afraid of facing the truth but they always believe "truth" is and will be standing by their side.
they are disappointed just because there are no another Tiananmen Incident.haha,so they have to make a lot of rumors ,only that,they can be happy and believe truth be in their hands.
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I am sorry to have you mentioned about your Irish ancestor... I find the in common word "burnt",148 years ago and two weeks ago.Describe and read the two incident is caused by "selfish purpose".

I didn't come to ask the riots to answer for their destruction to our country or to our soldior,or ask your ancestor to pay back the gold and cultural relic which now keep safely in the british museum. the point is not changed like the title: tibet was, is and forever will be a part of china.

It is the truth that the commander have order:"when abused,no backing with words,when beated,no backing with hands(baton or gun)"
BBC media some told us the true situation took place in Xi'zang. but some are really not the matter.The media was made for your British people(incl.Irish people)'s favor,or eye ball. that's selfish of the BBC editors too. so I call for integrity for a career. I don't really like the strain,when most of the BBC journelists report Xi'zang(tibet)'News, will you change your strain a little bit,more middle?

>>It is the truth that the commander have order: "when abused,no backing with words,when beated,no backing with hands(baton or gun)"<<

It's a shame no-one issued that order in 1989. Words were met with tanks.

It's also not up for debate that Chinese troops did attack civilians in Lhasa and other areas of Tibet. Clearly, somebody ignored their commander.

Incidentally - I'm not Irish. My ancestors were, but I'm British. However, Ireland provides a nice example. After some horrific bloodshed, caused by UK troops, a compromise was eventually reached. The parts of Ireland where most people wanted independence were granted independence. The parts where most people wanted to remain a part of the UK remained part of the UK. People were given the right to decide, for themselves, how they wanted to be ruled.

Do you think something similar will ever happen in Tibet?

It is a pity that sounds to me you know little of Tibet.
It was, in fact quite complicated, and not possible explain very cleary in such brief conversation. However, it is suggested that, if you are interested, you can find some books on this period. Not only by British authors, but also by Red Chinese authors.
Before 1949, 5% Tibetan, held all wealthy of Tibet, they are feudarys or master of slaves, monks and other aristocrats. You might know that Delai is one of the biggest feudary that time. These Delais lost their power (but the diadem was still on his head for he signed an agreement with central government) after 1949, because slaves were liberated( at least theoretically). Dalais felt unhappy and finally rebeled in 1956, and ran away to India after his action failed. Do you think such a caprice guy can stands for benefit of most Tibetan? He and his adherents want a separated Tibet or a so called "autonomy" , this finally brought riots in Tibet rcently.
Nonsense like Tibet's future remain unresoved, levae Tibetan to determine Tibet,,these are all jaw.

>>Before 1949, 5% Tibetan, held all wealthy of Tibet, they are feudarys or master of slaves, monks and other aristocrats. You might know that Delai is one of the biggest feudary that time.<<

Things change. The current government-in-exile is democratically elected. How's China doing with democracy?

The Dalai Lama has said if he was to return to Tibet, democracy would be coming with him.

>>because slaves were liberated( at least theoretically)<<

Very theoretically. For the average person there's not much of a difference between feudalism and a communist dictatorship.

I feel the same when I found the video which record the period of 1989,5years ago when I was in university.Lipeng was down,after that incident.because of his bad name and devil influence. he wrote a biography,which was rubbish last year. and it was sold badly:! but pls know china is changing.

I feel the same when western people and the world mention about culture revolution.I know that are inhumanity. movement kills innocent and the deafness.

Thank you for your kindness,Beckh

>>The Dalai Lama has said if he was to return to Tibet, democracy would be coming with him.>>

Demcracy is not a catholicon, my friend. To say the least, this reincarnated lama is not elected, right? He is thought to be the metempsychosis of a Bodhisattva... may they were elected in the sky...

>>For the average person there's not much of a difference between feudalism and a communist dictatorship.>>

I prefer to believe in that you must know the difference between feudalism and communism (China is in fact a socialism country). you are welcome to China, I guess you can talk more to Chinese, suppose there are not any big diffcult in understanding each other exacept languages and prejudice...

>>I prefer to believe in that you must know the difference between feudalism and communism<<

Yeah, I do. But my point is both systems involve oppressing the poorest people in society. Going from one to the other is simply swapping one master for another. Doesn't make life any better for the people in the fields.

The difference being, most Tibetans seemed to want the Dalai Lama as their master - he was the head of their religion. Most of them seemed not want Chinese masters.

>>To say the least, this reincarnated lama is not elected, right?<<

We both know that if the current Dalai Lama was to stand in an election in Tibet, he'd win by a landslide. Heck, he could stand for election in most countries and win, such is the respect he commands around the world.

Regardless, the head of state for the UK is Queen Elizabeth II. No-one voted for her either, but she doesn't have any power, so most people don't mind. The Dalai Lama has said this is a model of government he would promote.

>> Most of them seemed not want Chinese masters.<<

Chinese government is our master, it is just a government. No matter to Tibetan or our Han Chinese.

>> he could stand for election in most countries and win,<<

I'm a han Chinese, but I happen to have some Tibetan friends (Named Zhaxi and his family) .. They live in a county called LinZhi, located in east of Tibet..we just called each other occasionally, but I like them.... I dare not say I know all Tibetan, and I know that Dalai do have some adherents in Tibet for he is thought to be somewhat god like man. But I do know, those normal peasants , those serfs , like my friends, will not like go back to old time they can not control even their own lives/bodies...

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>> Most of them seemed not want Chinese masters.<<

Chinese government is ,,not our master, it is just a government. No matter to Tibetan or our Han Chinese.

>> he could stand for election in most countries and win,<<

I'm a han Chinese, but I happen to have some Tibetan friends (Named Zhaxi and his family) .. They live in a county called LinZhi, located in east of Tibet..we just called each other occasionally, but I like them.... I dare not say I know all Tibetan, and I know that Dalai do have some adherents in Tibet for he is thought to be somewhat god like man. But I do know, those normal peasants , those serfs , like my friends, will not like go back to old time they can not control even their own lives/bodies...

>>Chinese government is not our master, it is just a government<<

Oh, come off it. Are you free to say what you like? Are you free to access any information you like? Are you free to travel abroad whenever you like, without anyone else's permission? Are you free to engage in peaceful protest? Are you free to choose the head of your government? Are you free to have as many children as you like? Are you free to follow any religion you like?

My government isn't my master because I can answer yes to all of those questions. Can you?

>>will not like go back to old time they can not control even their own lives/bodies<<

But that isn't what would happen if Tibet was given autonomy. It'd be democratic, as part of a democratic China.

If Tibetans were so unhappy with the rule of the lamas, why were parts of Kham and Amdo in open rebellion until the early 1960s? Why are there continued calls for autonomy and the return of the Dalai Lama from various parts of Tibet?

>>Oh, come off it.......<<

Hehe, China is not a prison, anyway/ but there are some deficiency, but it is changing.
We are free to talk anything we like,from politics to economics, but subjected to a so called "censorship" system, to ensure that the talking is legal, (we don't like it infact) .Peaceful protest is accepted to both law and practice. if you read Chinese newspaper, you can find its record sometimes but not all of them. I have been in UK and have worked for a UK consultant for over 8 years, and went back to CHina two years ago..You can have many children if you can afford for it, including the penal sum for there are over 1.5 billion of poplutaion of CHina..I. myself is of Daoism. Anyway, What I try to say here there is a limted freedom in CHina. However, dare you say you have absolute freedom in your country? You can do anything you want without any constraints?