h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

One thing that is absolutely striking about all the messages from the chinese participating on this message board is the single-minded purpose in supporting anything that the chinese government does.
It is as though the chinese government has been successful in breeding a generation of zombies who will do the government's bidding.

It is this aspect must scare the wits out of any non-chinese human being.

The incidents for the past few years in the US must be seen in this light. The chinese nuclear scientists with US citizenship who shipped military secrets to China, the chinese citizens with US citizenship who tried to smuggle sensitive defense information into china, and just in today's news, the chinese citizens masquarading as tourists visitng US trying to smuggle infra-red cameras into China. And these are only the tip of the iceberg situations where the culprits were caught red-handed.

Only the Lord knows how vulnerable we in the west may have unwittingly become thanks to such culprits who spy for the chinese government with a smiling face.

Such acts cast needless suspicions on well-meaning chinese diaspora who are law-abiding patriotic Americans and British.

We in the west have become far too complacent and gullible in trusting the chinese politicians with beaming smiles. If we in the west are not vigilant, we may be on our way to a rendezvous with the next bunch of Hitlers.

majortorso could be scaremongering.
On the other hand, he could have a point.

I truly wish I could have been scaremongering, but I am not. The pattern is there is plainly to be seen. Strong-arming of African tinpot dictatorships, incessant incursions into at least three of India's states and claiming any place with a chinese-looking population as their territory, fomenting trouble my their proxies in Nepal and India, ruthless suppression of dissent within, grotesque display of power bt strong-arming smaller countries, building a cult of chinese past glory.

Aren't these the signature actions of the Nazi's in the thirties?

The scary thing is that the chinese have embraced every horde that conquered (Manchus, the Tartars/Mongols) them to create a single chinese race (call it Han or anything else). Aren't these the same things that Hitler did? The superhuman German race?

The only difference I see is that Hitler was always frowning and screaming, whereas the chinese arer beaming smiles and appearing harmless. They would have made Hitler proud.

So there's a parallel between the Beijing Olympics 2008 and the Berlin Olympics of 1936?

Yes. However, I hope at least some participants show their displeasure at the trampling of human rights by doing what the African-American athletes did at the Mexico Olympics. While they earned the displeasure of the US temporarily, I think the US is far better off for it.

I do sincerely hope what happened after the Berlin Olympics will nto be repeated.

I have been watching this forum for days.I feel lucky to know some english friend sharing their minds on the democracy and politic integrity.e.g."john"(2n floor),that's a responsible forum.thank you!I may have to say good bye to this forum for personal business.

I really dislike some "nothing to do guys" jumped out,spitted,and sunk... I hope there were fewer this kind of jacks.

In summary, I can only explain in this way:Xizang problem is not a problem of democracy,but a problem of china's domain. but chinese govnment need to meditate. Government should be more like a employee of people, rather than the father of the people.The emplyee must make Xizang's sky bluer,the people richer(to uprising people's life standard in the way they like).that's my hope!

re: "the person upstairs" you r worrying about the Beijing 2008 will be another Berlin 1936? I can only use this word to describe your behaviour...:"spiritualy masturbation"(explain: this word is very popular these years in china internet,I don't know if i translate it right. hope you can know more about china!)

Ryorao,

I will not dignify your obscene statements with an answer.

Like some of your chinese compatriots/comrades on H2G2, when you have no counter arguments to offer, you have resorted to either stalling on answers or name-calling and ad hominem insults.

Your indulgence in this sort of behaviour not acceptable in the west, is a shining example of communist chinese culture I guess, whatever that means.

There is a civilised way to behave where we clash on ideas but part as friends. Your statements using gutter language does not reflect well on the ancient Chinese wisdom that seems altogether lacking these days. I would be ashamed if I made such statements about anybody in public.

This sort of a dialog at a societal level makes discourse very unpleasant. I guess that is your strategy in winning an argument.

Nope~-~ It was just a joke.Come on, man,don't be too serious.
the original words is :"masturbation can make a strong body,spiritualy masturbation can make a strong country!" that's net friends' ironic.cheers~

Thanks for a great quotation for chinese consumption from Mr. Mao Tse Tung. Was it written by him while swimming across the Yangtse river fighting the colonialists? What a great intellectual feat for a library assistant! Or was it plagiarized from an ancient chinese text?

What the rest of the world should pay heed to is the other great Mao
quotation: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". The guns have been used in Tibet for the past six decades successfully. Who's next?

>Aren't these the signature actions of the Nazi's in the thirties?

It's not really the same situation, to be honest. China relies too much on the rest of the world and is too intertwined with it. Part of the National Socialist philosophy was to make Germany self-sufficient so it would be able to take-on the rest of the world militarily without having to worry about becoming weak thanks to vital trade and political alliances breaking down. China's current strength has come about by making itself indispensible to the world but it comes at the cost of relying on the world for its economic power. It wouldn't be possible for China to mount the sort of military action Germany took in 1939, indeed it's not really possible for any modern country to do so. And, yes, that includes the United States (neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were unilateral actions and the breaking of political alliances caused by the latter has hurt the US extremely badly).

The threat from China is less towards the world and more inward, towards China. It's clear now that the Chinese Communist Party isn't going to go the way of its Soviet counterpart: it's adapted from a genuinely communist ideology to a single party form of market socialism. The idea that economic prosperity brings political freedom has been found wanting. For Chinese liberals the future is now probably more bleak than it was in 1989.

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Zagreb:
It's not really the same situation, to be honest. China relies too much on the rest of the world and is too intertwined with it. Part of the National Socialist philosophy was to make Germany self-sufficient so it would be able to take-on the rest of the world militarily without having to worry about becoming weak thanks to vital trade and political alliances breaking down. China's current strength has come about by making itself indispensible to the world but it comes at the cost of relying on the world for its economic power.

Majortso:
In one sense I agree that China relies on the world to feed its industry with raw materials. Thats why they coddle tinpot dictatorships around the world (primarily in China, but also in Latin America).

On the other hand, China;s self-sufficiency is driven primarily from within by its hegemony over Xinjiang and Tibet because of their richness of mineral resources. If you exclude these two areas from China, China is really a very third world country almost barren of resources (of course this is a bit of overstatement).

China is selling the western countries today with cheap and more so cheap quality trash the same way the western world sold China opium during the nineteenth century. It is not an overstatement to state that "Made in China" is the opiate of the western mnasses. We have become so accustomed to this chinese opium that it has provided china to leverage its foreign exchange reserves to get its way by hook or crook (mostly the latter).

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Zagreb:
It wouldn't be possible for China to mount the sort of military action Germany took in 1939, indeed it's not really possible for any modern country to do so. And, yes, that includes the United States (neither Afghanistan nor Iraq were unilateral actions and the breaking of political alliances caused by the latter has hurt the US extremely badly).

Majortso:
But then Germany did not have the atomic weapons of mass destruction. While it would be foolish for China to use them, they are smart enough to push their atomic weights around to get what they want.

We should realise that even during the height of WW2 there were Germans on the allied side in the US as well as Britain (the royals in Britain for instance). That will not be the case, should there be a conflagration with China.

The simple fact is that we in the west do not have the unity for any concerted action against any enemy if it means a perceptible impact on our economic way of life. That should be so because we are democracies. With china it is different. The government can decide that the chinese population shall eat grass so the country can get what it wants, and that shall happen. They are not a democracy and the government is not accountable to the governed.

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Zagreb:
The threat from China is less towards the world and more inward, towards China. It's clear now that the Chinese Communist Party isn't going to go the way of its Soviet counterpart: it's adapted from a genuinely communist ideology to a single party form of market socialism. The idea that economic prosperity brings political freedom has been found wanting. For Chinese liberals the future is now probably more bleak than it was in 1989.

Majortso:
Yes, the threat for china is from within so long as the outside world supports the downtrodden. If that is not the case, the chinese state will crush any dissent.

China has not gone the way of USSR mainly because the Russians had a tradition of looking to the west before the 1917 "revolution", and had imbibed the European culture and its values. It is different with chins: any one who is not chinese is a barbarian by their fiat. They have created the idea of "Chinese" from hordes of ethnically disparate populations. Russia did not do that. Ethnic diversity was valued in Russia.

Yes, ther Chinese liberals have a bleak future unless we in the west support them.

I am sorry, I measnt in Africa and Latin America.

china as become rich because of
the west. there's a lot of thing's wroung
with china and there's a lot of thing's wroung
with west. but wherever you come from we all
should have human right'S. we have that in the
west if i said i hate the british goverment
nothing would happen but if i said i hate
the chineses goverment there would lock me up
that's the different's. i've got nothing again
the chinese people. all i saying is
WE ALL NEED HUMAN RIGHT'S.

Look i have no idea who the hell you are to say such rubbish, but you are way out of you line.

Not all countries are perfect. Differnt people enjoy a different way of political governing, us chinese know that the CCP's aims are to keep its people happy.

"WE" DOES Include Tibet, let me put this to you simply look at the globe of the world search for the name tibet........If tibet was not apart of China then simply the name would be on their in big bold letters.

"interfered in an innocent nation" well now that you bring this into perspective... see the western countries England for example, remember the peice of history that said....Hong Kong is now an english colony, how about India is now apart of England.....judging by the term interference i think you are a bloody hippocrit..you think your western ways are so perfect??? DRUGS, PAID ADULTRY, MURDERS.....you think thats not something your government should be fixing? figure out you problems before you interfere with others... retard

NO you are way out of line He lives in a free country and he can say whatever he wants to .

How many people has your country executed in the last year ?and how many people escaped from your country last year ?the only people that want to come in to your country are from North Korea.

As has been repeatedly said, no country has a past free from this kind of thing. Hong Kong *was* a British colony - no more, by the way. However, it's unfair to just lump things together as 'Western ways', much as it's unfair to say 'Chinese ways'. Imperialism is largely a thing of the past, though there are still some relics of it practised today.

Which I disapprove of and denounce.

The thing is I can say that. This is the same argument that's been repeated several times in this thread and I haven't seen anyone from the 'other side' respond to it.

Yes, 'we' includes Tibet. But the question is, should it?

Well Arnold, I'd love to travel to China because I think it's a fascinating place with an amazing history. One of the cradles of civilisation. But at the same time I'm wary. I wonder why that is?

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Not all countries are perfect.
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True, but in democracies one can object, protest, and if the laws are grotesquely unjust even disobey them with moral authority.

In totalitarian states such as china that is not so.

It is strange that not even ONE chinese person in all these forums has ever dared disagree with whatever the chinese government has said.


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Differnt people enjoy a different way of political governing, us chinese know that the CCP's aims are to keep its people happy.
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This is a full load of horse manure. There is only one way of political governing, and that is democracy, developed in the west after centuries of learning from the past.

While the old china (that is, china before its grotesque colonial expansionism) has a glorious civilisation, it has learned nothing. Mao and his minions destroyed that civilisation. What it has now is fascism, totalitarian thuggism, and primitive social structure where might makes right.

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you think your western ways are so perfect??? DRUGS, PAID ADULTRY, MURDERS.....you think thats not something your government should be fixing? figure out you problems before you interfere with others... retard
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Who claimed western ways of life was perfect? We in the west do not hide our problems, but talk about them loudly without fear of retribution.

When we vehemently protesting the chinese terrorists in china, we are expressing our disgust at chinese actions. We have a right, because we could be the next target. chinese actions in border infiltrations in neighbouring countries, financing and fomenting maoist terrorist uprisings there, and interference in neighbouring countries warn us that today's china is following the footsteps of Hitler.

When the chinese posters in this forum lose an arguments, you shoot the messenger by ad hominem insults (retard).

It is the chinese government that is retarded. They are sitting on a keg, and when discontent within gains pressure it will explode just as in Russia, the Balkans,... No government can control the public will. Rabid patriotism shown in this forum by the chinese apologists is disgusting.

you say keep the people happy (thread 134)
don't you mean some of you happy what about
all the people lock up for no good reason
i think you have been brain wash in to
the way you think . i'm allright jack.

this is for how friend from china
we can all see where he's coming from
by is name mr. screwesterners .
well screw you go along the
great wall of china mate.