h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

>> Aren't these the signature actions of the Nazi's in the thirties?<<
>> The scary thing is that the chinese have embraced every horde that conquered (Manchus, the Tartars/Mongols) them to create a single chinese race (call it Han or anything else). Aren't these the same things that Hitler did? The superhuman German race?<<

No, Nazi/Hitler alike things will never happen in 'humble' China and its land, it can only happen in your 'noble' western world - and history had already proved that, right? Maybe you don't know Chinese history, but at least you should know European history, right?

To be fair, when you are conquered you don't have much choice. I don't think Majortso's point is valid, if only for the reason that Nazi analogies are too common to be meaningful. What do you mean by 'embraced', Majortso? I don't think Hitler would have wanted to 'embrace' outside ethnicities when creating his Aryan race - as I understand it it was a quest for producing a 'pure' (whatever that means) German bloodline.

Steven:
I'd like to make this clear I see China as anything but humble. It has nearly always been a prominent part of the world, since some of the first civilisations sprang up around the Yellow River. Now I would say it's not humble because it's testing out its new-found economic power and influence on the global stage. And as for nobility, I don't see the West as noble at all (but I do like being able to say that - can you do so in China?).

>>No, Nazi/Hitler alike things will never happen in 'humble' China and its land, it can only happen in your 'noble' western world - and history had already proved that, right?<<

And as for that...Mao. Not quite the same as a Nazi, but horrible things happened during his reign. Understand this: neither of the 'sides' here are perfect.

Zen Kogie temple here in Japan has just said that the torch is banned from their temple in support of their brother monks in Tibet ,In 1998 they struck their bell as a start towards the 2008 Olympics but they won't strike it for them again.So another starting point will have to be found and in less than 10 days .

Do you simply know how Dalai Lama turned to be so call ¡®Living Buddha¡¯ and got his great name of Dalai?
That was from the central government of China, written in the Tibetan history and painted on the wall in Tibetan temples.

How could Dalai call Tibet an independent country, when he still calls himself the name which was given by China?

Doesn't matter which party is running the country, China is still the one it was. And Tibet is still and will be part of China.

The same as USA, no matter who is the President, and which party is running the government, it's still the United States. None of the states is calling itself an independent country no matter what.

It's the common sense.

This is interesting. There have been Mongolian armies and influence in Tibet before? Should Tibet be a part of Mongolia? Or even Britain? After the British expedition Tibet was under British influence. I'm not saying it *should* be...but the point stands.

Nepal was the dominant power for a long period. The Qing Emperors were Manchu. It's a mistake to imagine Asian history to be any less convoluted than European history.

Interestingly, Younghusband, who commanded the 1904 British expedition was roundly rebuked in Britain for advancing to Lhasa, which he was never meant to do.

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looks like john the gardener really likes the idea so-called free the tibet.
you are absolutely right that we have a lot of issues of our own, especially the way our gov. handles problems. i'm not afraid to say that our gov. is actually indeed very corrupted. but we are always seeking for a solution to that.
people in tibet have their happy lives(not just the Han, but tibetans as well). please, do please come to china and come to tibet to see what it really looks like. DO NOT just comment without taking any responsiblities.
China, as i say, will never be separated!!

It's interesting that you seem to think of Han people's happy lives and add Tibetans as an afterthought.

China's behaviour in Tibet is a bit smelly. Like poo.

thank you,for BBC journalists going to the quacke area for report and video.I respect u and your resoponsibility!even some of the video I could not see from the 6 hours live from CCTV and Phonex.

pls take care,friend.

Being a surgeon,my mother has went to epicentre .i feel worry about her as well as people who are trapped .
pray for them!

It's very sad.

Especially that children have been killed.

The Dalai Lama is against violance and sepratism; are you saying the Noble committee and the whole world are fools. What make follows of Mao and his gang of four so smart?

>>please, do please come to china and come to tibet to see what it really looks like. DO NOT just comment without taking any responsiblities.<<

i have been.

Laconian:
To be fair, when you are conquered you don't have much choice. I don't think Majortso's point is valid, if only for the reason that Nazi analogies are too common to be meaningful. What do you mean by 'embraced', Majortso? I don't think Hitler would have wanted to 'embrace' outside ethnicities when creating his Aryan race - as I understand it it was a quest for producing a 'pure' (whatever that means) German bloodline.

Majortso:
You are right, Hitler did not embrace all races as he set out to conquer. However, he did embrace the "Aryan" race of his interpretation, everywhere. The chinese have done the same. They have embraced every one who looks Mongoloid. That is the reason why they are claiming Sikkim, Ladakh, Arunachal Pradesh, all states of India.
Soon they will claim Nagaland, Bhutan, Manipur, Meghalaya since the people in these states of India also look some what lkike the chinese.
Nepalese also look somewhat like the chinese, a fact not lost on the chinese. They ahve taken great pains to foment troubles there through their maoist hired hands.

The chinese communists have nothing short of world domination on their minds. Tibet and Uyghur (the chinese have usurped this name as Xinjiang) are just the tip of the iceberg, like Hitket's Sudetenland.

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On another note, why in the world every chinese in these postings wants us in the west to visit china? To peddle cheap chinese goods?
They need to first make their government a bit more civilised in substance (not just in form), allow people to be like tourists visiting Britain or the USA; and harrass them only when they spy in china, just as the chinese spies are in the west.

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Why in the world is the chinese government requiring that all olympics visitors required to report within government within 24 hours whenever they have spent a night at a Peking resident's?

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And isn't it idiotic for the communist chinese government to give civics lessons to western tourists during the Olympics.

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And stop refering to Dalai Lama as just Dalai. Give His Excellecy some respect. It is like referring to Hu as Ding Dong Hu or Ha Ha Hu.

>>Soon they will claim Nagaland, Bhutan, Manipur, Meghalaya since the people in these states of India also look some what like the chinese.<<

I have severe doubts about this. It just seems silly. I don't believe China is searching for some kind of ethnic unity. China as it currently stands is already a hotchpotch of ethnic groups, after all. Also, Bhutan is a separate country, not a state of India.

>>The chinese communists have nothing short of world domination on their minds.<<

Surely you know extravagant statements like this cannot be true? How do you know what *all* Chinese communists have 'on their minds'?

Could I also just run something past those who say: 'Tibet was a part of China and so should be now.' Now - from my admittedly limited knowledge - Mongolia was more closely tied to the Qin Empire than Tibet (as far as I know most of Tibet's involvement with China was in terms of recognising suzerainty - rather like a protectorate, in which China took control of external affairs and defence). Should Mongolia also be a part of China? Or even, since China was once ruled by a Mongol dynasty, should China be a part of Mongolia? Or even: should Manchuria be part of Japan? (sorry if that touches a nerve among the Chinese posters present, but it's a powerful point) This reasoning for claims over countries has little merit, in my opinion.

>I have severe doubts about this. It just seems silly. I don't believe China is searching for some kind of ethnic unity. China as it currently stands is already a hotchpotch of ethnic groups, after all. Also, Bhutan is a separate country, not a state of India.
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>Surely you know extravagant statements like this cannot be true? How do you know what *all* Chinese communists have 'on their minds'?
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Communist governments everywhere have striven to de-ethnicise diverse populations. The only way communism can thrive is to do away with whatever differences people have by herding them like cattle in stockyards. Take USSR, Yugoslavia, or Czechoslavia for example. They were remarkably diverse ethnic populations with cultural, religious as well as linguistic diversity, and yet they were welded into one nation state by hook or by crook by the communists. If this could happen in an astoundingly diverse eastern Europe, having the same under china should be a piece of cake for the chinese communists.

And when the communists fail (as they always seem to do), they leave their odious and toxic droppings behind like the animals do. See what is happening with the same three communist "countries" today. Only, nature is a rather poor circus bucket brigade as history in Serbia/Croatia/Kosovo/... has amply demonstrated.

We can only take solace in that, in the long run, all these fascist gimmicks invariably fail. But millions will have paid the ultimate price with their life. We in the west should sympathise with the chinese people who are being treated by their government no better than animals in stockyards.

Communism is simply not compatible with human freedom and dignity, even though as a utopia it is attractive. As Lenin once observed once, they are all socialists trying to become communists; they can not because of human failings.

Yes, Bhutan is an independent country, and so was Nepal until very recently. Nepal today is well on its way to being a chinese colony, thanks to the maoist henchmen egged on by the chinese (see the behaviour of Nepalese to the recent demonstrations of frustration by the Tibetans in Nepal. So are the maoists in India who have no qualms about financing their trecherous activities through their chinese loyalties and indulgence in drug cultivation and trade.

Some of what you say has value, I think, but the mature, useful parts of your posts are obscured behind a cloud of incoherent bile and vitriol.