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phannola Posted Jan 11, 2003
Good review. It does explain a lot to people who haven't read the books or seen this film yet. And still, even though I have read the books and seen this film, I found some new information in this article. Good job!
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Oberon2001 (Scout) Posted Jan 12, 2003
Shelob is in TTT as a book, but not in the film. It appears in The Return of the King in December instead.
Oberon2001
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Researcher 188007 Posted Jan 12, 2003
It? IT?
Surely you mean 'she' as in *She-lob* (she-spider)?
OK so I'm just jealous you know. But I really thought that Jackson, having proved to the moronic producers that a film about one of the most popular and well-liked books ever *wouldn't* be a flop, would stick as close as a button to the plot for the other films. Aaah well...
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Madent Posted Jan 15, 2003
I've made some tweaks.
Hopefully it's a little more rounded now.
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Mikey the Humming Mouse - A3938628 Learn More About the Edited Guide! Posted Mar 6, 2003
I think this is looking quite good. Here's a brief question -- you say somewhere in the middle that the "higher rating" is merited, but you don't say what the film is rated. And film rating schemes differ by country, don't they? At least I'm pretty sure that the G/PG/PG13/R/X system we use in the US isn't universal.
Mikey
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Oberon2001 (Scout) Posted Mar 7, 2003
You're right, it isn't.
In the UK it goes *drumroll* U/PG/12a (formerly 12)/15/18/R18 (I think)
The Two Towers was a 12, then a 12a when the rating system changed.
Oberon2001
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Gordon, Ringer of Bells, Keeper of Postal Codes and Maps No One Can Re-fold Properly Posted Mar 15, 2003
Just a comment to Oberon2001 on something written a few posts back. The story only exists in three volumes because the publishers would have had to wait too long to publish the book if they did it in one volume. The splits are fairly arbitrary and you can buy the three volumes in one single book, as JRRT intended.
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anhaga Posted Mar 15, 2003
Just a minor (well, not minor to me) quibble about some decisions in the two films. First: Bombadil. I've always felt that he was terribly important both plot-wise (it is he who arms the hobbits) and thematically (depth of history, the various races, the potential for immunity from evil, etc.). But everybody seems to say, oh, well, Old Tom Bombadillo wasn't really important. Well, Tolkien thought he was important enough to devote three chapters to him (whereas Arwen got one brief mention). Second: The Oliphant. If Bombadil was unimportant, why the he** did Jackson feel that the blundering great CG fakery of the mammothly tusked pachyderm was necessary? Save the effects budget and spend it on the ents, of whom there were far too few at the entmoot, and whose size kept changing through the march on and the sack of Isengard.
I enjoyed the second film much more than the first.
Has anybody checked out Jackson's classic "Meet the Feebles"?
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Gordon, Ringer of Bells, Keeper of Postal Codes and Maps No One Can Re-fold Properly Posted Mar 15, 2003
Yes, I too lament the omission of Tom Bombadil, but I guess the American viewing public wouldn't stand for it and in the end the story still advances. If you weren't familiar with the story, you could watch the movie and still get the whole point, even though Tom is missing.
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Oberon2001 (Scout) Posted Mar 15, 2003
Gordon the Scout (go on, pick this ), I knew that (I've actually read the intro to the books! ).... Just someone asked why Shelob wasn't in the same book, film bit.
Also, I *think* LotR is split into 7 books (for some strange reason, probably to make them easier to read...).... Hoo-hum, still, nice entry (go on, pick it!)
Oberon2001
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tonderai (wearing an itchy baobab hat) Posted Mar 15, 2003
I found this sentence confusing, in the final paragraph:
'Jackson has continued to treat the story with care, however more so than in the first film, this is clearly his interpretation'
Do you mean Jackson has treated the story with more care in the second film, or that the second is more his interpretation? I should think its the last, but could you clarify? Cheers
Otherwise, great entry :D
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Madent Posted Mar 19, 2003
And to answer a couple of out standing questions.
The rating system in the UK is as described by Oberon. TTT received a higher rating (12A) than FOTR (PG), I believe principally because of the extremely violent battle scenes.
At the end of the piece I do indeed mean that TTT is more of an interpretation (that is less like the book) than FOTR. This need not be a bad thing but amongst fans of the book, the depictions of Elrond and Faramir detract somewhat from the film as a whole.
Maybe some of these concerns will be addressed in the extended version of TTT.
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