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Vip Posted Jun 14, 2010
I enjoyed it. But then, I like silliness, which is why I enjoy Matt Smith's Doctor. It occasionally made me cringe, but because most of it was essentially light hearted it could be skipped over. I can let that go far easier than if it were a serious episode, for some reason.
I had a feeling some people wouldn't like it (the mobile made out of oars and the football in particular) but it made me and Mr Vip look at each other and chuckle in amusement.
Sorry Geggs, Amy still annoyed me, despite being in it for only three point four seconds. Not a lot Gillen could have done with the script though, being either "Doctor!!" or "[scream]". Poor lass.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jun 14, 2010
Well, I thought that was very good. Rewatched it last night as well.
Which is a bit unusual as I don't normally like the 'lite' episodes. Midnight, for example, was rather poor and the least said about Love and Monsters the better.
The Lodger was character, rather than plot, development (except for the end). Why shouldn't the Doctor be good at football?
Yeah it had problems, but then they always do, that's half the fun.
So far the series has been very good I thought. Much more subtle than RTD era. And in some ways more personal to the Doctor. The SM series was never going to be a series long Blink or Girl in the Fireplace or whatever, and SM said it wasn't. It is more dark fantasy/fairytale than RTD ever was and that is a good thing. Can't wait for finale!
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Deb Posted Jun 14, 2010
I enjoyed it, it was entertaining, and to be honest that's all I really ask of my TV.
Someone has mentioned how the hallway in the one story building didn't make sense. For some reason I thought there was a door going into the house next door. I just had another look on iplayer and there wasn't so my brain obviously put it there to make sense of that big useless hallway!
Deb
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Geggs Posted Jun 14, 2010
Just a thought - was the hallway seen after the other Tardis was defeated? If not, then the entire house may have been re-configured by that Tardis thing, and reverted to it's original layout afterwards.
I mean, the stairs and the doorbell where both outside the Tardis, and yet its presence caused them to appear, and to be functional. So after that Tardis imploded the doorbell will have returned to its original form, so why not the rest of the house?
Geggs
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jun 14, 2010
wasn't actually a TARDIS, that was the Doctor's thinking up until he opened the door into it.
And no, we didn't see the hallway, but the rest of the interior looked the same I think, so there'd be a gap there for something!
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Giford Posted Jun 14, 2010
But it was a perception filter - nothing about the house actually changed, the hall wasn't actually that size, there was no second doorbell, people's minds were just filling in whatever details they needed to convince them it was a 2-storey house...
...so how did they get up the stairs?
Gif
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Elentari Posted Jun 14, 2010
I have enjoyed this series but not as much as previous ones. I agree that it hasn't quite gelled, but I can't put my finger on why.
I'm enjoying Matt Smith enormously and I will join in with those few who like Amy.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jun 14, 2010
I kinda assumed that the 'stairs' were some sort of access ladder or similar. We, of course, will not know since it went with the ship.
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Geggs Posted Jun 15, 2010
Someone mentioned, though I noew can't find it, that there has been more of an arc to this series. I've just been thinking about this, and I've surprised myself with how connected this whole series has been.
Ep2 evidently starts not long after ep1.
Ep2 ends with a phonecall from Churchill, which is followed up in ep3.
Amy's comments at the start of ep4 suggest that they haven't been anywhere else since ep3.
Ep4 & Ep5 - two-parter, obviously connected.
Ep6 - the Doctor picks up Rory, following on from the scene at the end of ep5.
Ep7 - Amy is now forced to choose between Rory and the Doctor
Eps 8 & 9 - Amy looses Rory and doesn't even remember him, but the engagement ring still exists.
Ep10 - Amy's comments at the start suggest that the Doctor is trying to make up for loosing Rory, even though Amy doesn't know why.
Ep11 - bit of a looser connection, but Amy finds the ring, and the crack in Craig's house gets wider because of it.
And in ep12 we will have the Pandorica, which has already been referenced twice in this series.
Geggs
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jun 15, 2010
that is one of the differences I have noticed and enjoyed in the series so far. I think it is also one of the main differences people are having probs with.
Bear in mind that SM said there were 5 things in ep1 and throughout to watch out for. The cracks is deffo one. The future Doctor hints at another. We also know the big baddy was in ep1 although not in a way we would recognise immediately. It is all very interwoven, I'm just hoping the payoff pans out
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Bright Blue Shorts Posted Jun 15, 2010
"Bear in mind that SM said there were 5 things in ep1 and throughout to watch out for. The cracks is deffo one. The future Doctor hints at another. We also know the big baddy was in ep1 although not in a way we would recognise immediately. It is all very interwoven, I'm just hoping the payoff pans out"
What's all this? Where did SM say this?
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Geggs Posted Jun 16, 2010
Hmm. 5 things? Okay, then I'll go with:
1) Cracks
2) "The Pandorica will open"
3) "The Doctor in his Tardis doesn't know"
4) "If there's no ducks how to you know it's a duck pond?!"
5) "Bow ties are cool!"
Just guessing, really.
Geggs
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Geggs Posted Jun 16, 2010
Another thing that crops up is the present Doctor's tendancy to use 'spiritual' terms.
"That must a hell of a crack in your wall"
"For God's sake kiss the girl!"
I mean, yes, they are normal everyday terms, but I don't recall them being used during the RTD era.
Geggs
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jun 16, 2010
"What's all this? Where did SM say this?"
While ago now, back in the hype before ep1. Matt Smith echoed similar stuff as well.
You need to be reading the spoiler sites BBS
As for what they are - don't forget that one of the things in ep1 was the series arc big baddy (something else SM/MS have told us in interviews). So that and Cracks definitely. The Pond - I suspect that is a clue and indeed an artifact of whatever is going on, but not itself one of the things to watch out for. I think the idea is that of those things, some or all of them will be present throughout (as in the Cracks and references to vision and things not being what they seem).
But also, the shadow in the house and the TARDIS returning for young Amelia - I reckon they were part of it.
(since these are all things in the actual episodes and no speculation on what they mean I don't count them as spoilers, apols if others do!)
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HonestIago Posted Jun 16, 2010
There was also the weird appearence of the Dcotor in Flesh and Stone, after he'd left Amy in the forest.
I think his little conversation, about how she needed to trust him and that trust works by suspending rationality, will be important.
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IctoanAWEWawi Posted Jun 16, 2010
"There was also the weird appearence of the Dcotor in Flesh and Stone, after he'd left Amy in the forest."
That was the supposed future Doctor
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Taff Agent of kaos Posted Jun 16, 2010
things have been effecting the tardis as well
it got dragged underground
it could not meterialize propperly
river took the hand brake off
the eye aliens threw it off for 5 years??
it almost became their tomb in the draem episode
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sigsfried Posted Jun 16, 2010
Sorry if I am being very daft, but isn't it just that the season big baddy is the crack.
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Geggs Posted Jun 16, 2010
Maybe. Or maybe they are caused by the big baddy. Or maybe they are something that need to be fully understood and used in order to defeat the big baddy.
Geggs
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