A Conversation for Talking Point: 11 September, 2001

Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1581

Apparition™ (Mourning Empty the best uncle anyone could wish for)

That reads like you're saying non americans don't know what arrogance is and are just mistaking confidence for arrogance.

Americas' attitude toward the UN and ICC is arrogance and counter to one of the points *of* there being a UN

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civili2.gif
This is national arrogance.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1582

Apparition™ (Mourning Empty the best uncle anyone could wish for)

ooops this is the title to the link in the previos post.

Table 2. 'The Slope of Infamy': Cumulative Civilian Deaths Caused by U.S. Aerial Bombing Since October 7, 2001 [-December 10th ]
[horizontal axis represents days starting with October 7th]


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1583

starbirth

>The Posting to which you are replying is from ApparÏtÏon (You appear to be a few bits short of a byte, my friend)
That reads like you're saying non americans don't know what arrogance is and are just mistaking confidence for arrogance.<

You know exactly what arrogance is.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1584

T´mershi Duween




So once again we´re into the loop where smiley - starbirth has been offended, and shoots at anything that moves, without anything better to say, than people can just shove it if they don´t agree with him, or leave their country.

smiley - monster

T´mershi Duween.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1585

starbirth

T'Mershi I know you are trying to draw me into an angry cofrontation but I have only sadness for you. I not know what has happened to you to illicet such anger for such a large and diverse population of this worlds people. The only thing that connects these people is they are american. This strong dislike of anything american from goverment,policy,people,mores,looks have all been commented by you in a negitive fashion. The fact that you are subscribed to 7 threads about america {most shed the US in a negitive light} out of 10 theads you participate in shows your obsession with a the US. Most of your posts are pictures of alcohol and when you do attually say somthing it is in anger or contemp of anything american.

Because this medium of comunication is so hard to pick up emotion I do not know if your many posts of alcohol is a cry for help or a juvenile play for attention.

Your comtempt for my country and brethen is equally sad as it is obviously based on telivision {american sitcoms and talk shows aimed at a audience of limited ability}} movies {with no connection in reality} and news programs that have become more entertianment oriented then news worthy} and maybe a few tourist who as blind to local ways and a nuisance. Giving you a warped sence of americans on the whole. If you took the time to investigate you would most likly find we are much the same. I have taken the time to write this in hopes that you will take the time to get to know a nation before you condem each and every one of them.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1586

Neugen Amoeba

Debates such as these have a nasty habit of evolving to personal slander brawls. May I propose that we focus on the arguments that are brought forward and not on the people.

So starbirth, please refrain from telling people to leave. It's tough to debate anything if all you're left with is people who agree with you.

T´mershi Duween, statements such as: "So once again we´re into the loop where birth has been offended, and shoots at anything that moves, without anything better to say, than people can just shove it if they don´t agree with him, or leave their country." do not support any argument. So why bother?

ApparÏtÏon, with the following statament after your name: "(You appear to be a few bits short of a byte, my friend)", does leave you at a dissadvantage when trying to highlight the negative aspects of arrogance.

And I do ask that we all go to the trouble of supporting our arguments. Statements such as "Americans are arrogant", without defining the context or offering any examples is simply bait for a fight. I for one know many Americans who are quite humble and hence would dispute the statement. Given that the person didn't bother to support their statement, I'm inclined to ignore it.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1587

Apparition™ (Mourning Empty the best uncle anyone could wish for)

What I put in brackets after my name changes on a regular basis and is made up of quotes from books, movies and TV. The current one is from "Total Recal 2070" a TV series I happen to like.

In my last posting I made a statement and provided a link. Since I have friends who are American I know better and when I make a statement like my previous posting it is aimed at government and those that agree with what it's doing in reguard to what I'm posting about at the time.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1588

T´mershi Duween






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Don´t expect smiley - starbirth to understand that, as he has clearly showed that any criticicsm towards USA is taken as a personal insult.

And you are repeating yourself in your last posting smiley - starbirth.


T´mershi Duween.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1589

Apparition™ (Mourning Empty the best uncle anyone could wish for)

I see what you mean T'mershi. I just wish brick walls were softer as my head is starting to hurt.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1590

T´mershi Duween





Hmmmm...and as it was a response to NA, perhaps smiley - starbirth is innocent of that one.

My apologies.


TD.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1591

T´mershi Duween




smiley - smiley App.

TD.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1592

Apparition™ (Mourning Empty the best uncle anyone could wish for)

what you posted is still relivant and applies not only to smiley - starbirth.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1593

T´mershi Duween




Still he does tend to be easily offended.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1594

T´mershi Duween




No ....it applies to several americans here.I agree.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1595

starbirth

>So starbirth, please refrain from telling people to leave. It's tough to debate anything if all you're left with is people who agree with you.<

I have never told a person to leave any thread. I would ask TD or Apparition to show any proof that I ever did. In fact I have tried to get along with TD and Aparition on several occaisions with nothing but disdain from aparition and pictures og alcohole from TM. I find it sad that they use terms about americans being:

Arogant,fat,uninformed,bullys,rednecks,cowards,wormongers ect. ect. ect.

Then make the statement "but don't take it personal"


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1596

starbirth

>In my last posting I made a statement and provided a link. Since I have friends who are American I know better and when I make a statement like my previous posting it is aimed at government and those that agree with what it's doing in regaurd to what I'm posting about at the time.<

Apparition you have made that statement about having friends who are american far to many times. It is starting to sound to me like the words I have heard come out of some well heeled, society types who say: 'Why some of my best friends are black' Whith friends like that......







Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1597

Hasslefree

Perhaps we re title this Why Some People Hate SOME Americans then and have done with it smiley - biggrin


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1598

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

That about sums it up, Mystrunner.smiley - peacesign I am reminded of a line in 'Baddiel's Syndrome' an hysterically funny comedy we're currently seeing. (Given the NZ attitude towards British TV, it *could* be 10 years old, tho' I don't think so..)

Ethan (American dude, early 30s): "The last time I entered Britain, I didn't even have a passport"

Baddiel: "What did they do?"

Ethan: "Nothing. We're some kind of like, Master Race, so you're just so happy to have us here." smiley - laugh

That says something about the arrogance of some Americans, and the attitude of *some* people in some other countries...


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1599

Apparition™ (Mourning Empty the best uncle anyone could wish for)

"Apparition you have made that statement about having friends who are american far to many times. It is starting to sound to me like the words I have heard come out of some well heeled, society types who say: 'Why some of my best friends are black' Whith friends like that......"

Hmm I've said it about two or maybe three times.

Starbirth is just intent on making things personal and getting p***sed at T'marshi and I. Heaven forbid anything was discussed.

Perhaps I'll just leave you to it. It's not what I was here for.


Why do some people hate Americans?(and why should they pity propaganda believing Americans?

Post 1600

Hasslefree

I think the Baddiel thing might be ten years old smiley - biggrin

Revert that to, we're some kind of master race that spends a lot of money and people who spend a lot of money are welcome anywhere whatever their colour , race, creed, religion, spiritual persuasion ,
Great Britian is fast becoming theme park world!! Except we do have some excellent comedians, I suppose it's the irony of living in theme park world that does it


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