A Conversation for Talking Point: 11 September, 2001
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Life Ain't Enough Started conversation Sep 13, 2001
Ok people... Just try to evaluate what i am going to say!
What happened in America was really tragic? I mean how could one do that. Ok, so let's hunt down the b******s! But would anyone try to find out what forced those people to do this act of terrorism? I mean no one speaks up when Israel rataliate to throwing of pebbels with missiles... No one speaks up to the sufferings of Iraqi people... No one, I mean NO ONE!!!
Human life is HUMAN LIFE for God's Sake... Try to respect it irrespective of the creed and the color and the religion. Why is it that the life of an AMERICAN is more valuable than that of an ARAB? Why this discrimination?
Get the culprits all right, but what about those who are doing the crimes against the humanity? What about them? Just because they are at the top of the world so they call their acts as ACTS of JUSTICE and other people's acts as ACTS of TERRORISM?
I am not trying to justify the acts of terrorists in USA... But PLEASE DONT JUSTIFY THE ACTS OF THOSE WHO DO THINGS YOU KNOW ARE WRONG!!!
THANX...
In the end i would like to say that may ALLAH help those families who have lost their love ones to overcome this tragedy.
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184639 Posted Sep 13, 2001
America is a country of immigrants, especially NYC. The bombers killed many Muslims, Jews, Christians and name the religion or non religion. The World Trade Center is a symbol of Western Economic power (most companies in there weren't in the financial business, just expensive named office space).
The bombers were interested in attacking western symbols and forget about the people in the way. That is why it is so disheartening to hear people say, it is in the US and has nothing to do with us.
What!?
Demosthenes (Irrefutable FooFighter, Fire loving Pyro, and general Psycopath. "I dun descriminate. I hate everyone eaqually.") Posted Sep 13, 2001
You make it seem as if there arent Islamic Americans! Do you think that we're ALL white?! You also make it seem as if only americans were victimized yesterday! Britons, Japanese, Australians, Germans, Irish. . . ALL OF CIVILIZATION was attacked!! The way things work in this world, the palestinians dancing in the streets of Jerusalem yesterday were as much victims of tuesday's massacre as you and I.
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184639 Posted Sep 13, 2001
America is a country of immigrants, especially NYC. The bombers killed many Muslims, Jews, Christians and name the religion or non religion. The World Trade Center is a symbol of Western Economic power (most companies in there weren't in the financial business, just expensive named office space).
The bombers were interested in attacking western symbols and forget about the people in the way. That is why it is so disheartening to hear people say, it is in the US and has nothing to do with us.
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184694 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Yes I totally Agree, US people are very good and kind but due to the Attitude of USA the innocent ppl have to suffer...I think now the US government should think and stop interfaring in EVERY Thing. They should mind their own Business. US is a SuperPower, but that dosnot mean they should be acting like a democratic Terrorist.US thinks it is the most powerful state but only a few ppl without using ne deadful weapons have taught them a good lesson
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184715 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Definetely, it is tragic what we live these days and maybe worst things will follow. Anyway, godbless the souls of these innocent people but in fact we have to be more realistic for the reasons of this tragedy. The states government is responsible for this tragedy because the same tragedies happened in Irak or Somalia or Soudan or in Belgrade where thousands of inocent people killed, hundrends of hospitals destroyed and don't forget the bombing of the chinese embassy in Belgrade. The only answer for this was just a SORRY. Finally, everyone has to think about our world and our future and we have to understand that whatever happens the victims are innocent people!!!
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184715 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Definetely, it is tragic what we live these days and maybe worst things will follow. Anyway, godbless the souls of these innocent people but in fact we have to be more realistic for the reasons of this tragedy. The states government is responsible for this tragedy because the same tragedies happened in Irak or Somalia or Soudan or in Belgrade where thousands of inocent people killed, hundrends of hospitals destroyed and don't forget the bombing of the chinese embassy in Belgrade. The only answer for this was just a SORRY. Finally, everyone has to think about our world and our future and we have to understand that whatever happens the victims are innocent people!!!
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184689 Posted Sep 13, 2001
It must be nice to view the world in such a black and white way. This act of EVIL had nothing to do with discrimination, humanity, or justice. So please do not make any more fumble attempts at linking this horrific crime to such ideas. Yes, human life is HUMAN LIFE. But you're barking up the wrong tree. You should be telling all of this to the evil animals who perpetrated these crimes - not the American victims of this tragedy. But there's nothing like kicking a whipped horse while its down, is there?
You said: "Why is it that the life of an AMERICAN is more valuable than that of an ARAB? Why this discrimination?" How naive of you. Ask that same question to the peoples of any other nation on this planet. Every country believes they are more important than the next. It's a fact of life. And it's called ETHNOCENTRISM, not discrimination. And since you obviously don't know the difference, ethnocentrism is a BELIEF in the superiority of one's ethnic group, while discrimination is an ACT perpetrated on another on the basis of prejudice. While Americans may be guilty of the BELIEF in our self importance (who isn't), these evil animals are guilty of an ACT of TERRORISM.
You said: "Just because they are at the top of the world so they call their acts as ACTS of JUSTICE and other people's acts as ACTS of TERRORISM?" Where do you get off comparing the two? I take it from this statement that you think the U.S. is guilty of acts of terrorism. Please explain yourself here. I'm sure the rest of us would love to know what acts of terrorism we are guilty of.
Finally, exactly what lesson(s) are we supposed to learn from this? I can think of only one lesson of real value that we'll be learning in the near future...the true meaning of the word JUSTICE.
Signed,
ONE ANGRY AMERICAN
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184689 Posted Sep 13, 2001
It must be nice to view the world in such a black and white way. This act of EVIL had nothing to do with discrimination, humanity, or justice. So please do not make any more fumble attempts at linking this horrific crime to such ideas. Yes, human life is HUMAN LIFE. But you're barking up the wrong tree. You should be telling all of this to the evil animals who perpetrated these crimes - not the American victims of this tragedy. But there's nothing like kicking a whipped horse while its down, is there?
You said: "Why is it that the life of an AMERICAN is more valuable than that of an ARAB? Why this discrimination?" How naive of you. Ask that same question to the peoples of any other nation on this planet. Every country believes they are more important than the next. It's a fact of life. And it's called ETHNOCENTRISM, not discrimination. And since you obviously don't know the difference, ethnocentrism is a BELIEF in the superiority of one's ethnic group, while discrimination is an ACT perpetrated on another on the basis of prejudice. While Americans may be guilty of the BELIEF in our self importance (who isn't), these evil animals are guilty of an ACT of TERRORISM.
You said: "Just because they are at the top of the world so they call their acts as ACTS of JUSTICE and other people's acts as ACTS of TERRORISM?" Where do you get off comparing the two? I take it from this statement that you think the U.S. is guilty of acts of terrorism. Please explain yourself here. I'm sure the rest of us would love to know what acts of terrorism we are guilty of.
Finally, exactly what lesson(s) are we supposed to learn from this? I can think of only one lesson of real value that we'll be learning in the near future...the true meaning of the word JUSTICE.
Signed,
ONE ANGRY AMERICAN
whom to blame ?
Researcher 184733 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Tuesday was tragedy created by a mix of power politics and religion.If we go back to 1980's US funded Mujahideen to win war againg Russia backed government. That mujahideen is now called Taliban. During that time so many innocent people were killed. Now US is trying to catch the same person whom they funded. So who created the evil..????. When India repeatedly pleaded to the world to tell Pakistan to stop Cross border terrorism...US were supplying F-16. India has no option to test a nuclear weapon with such a neighbour...With NY so far from america what is the case of New Delhi...When pakistan backed terrorist struck bombay where 600 - 1000 people where killed, where was US and its allies..to help India..all they did was back Pakistan...Does it require 20000 lives in American soil to make the eyes of the world to open and see the attrocities of these fanatics...How many innocent people wer killed by the power politics - Atomic bomb in Hiroshima, Chemical warfrae in Vietnam, Splitting USSR ....Is it because Americans doesnt care about the other coountries - all it requires is money by selling arm to terrorist nations...and acquire wealth by denuncing all other nations who try to stand in dignity...What america should learn is give respect and take respect.
whom to blame ?
Researcher 184733 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Tuesday was tragedy created by a mix of power politics and religion.If we go back to 1980's US funded Mujahideen to win war againg Russia backed government. That mujahideen is now called Taliban. During that time so many innocent people were killed. Now US is trying to catch the same person whom they funded. So who created the evil..????. When India repeatedly pleaded to the world to tell Pakistan to stop Cross border terrorism...US were supplying F-16. India has no option to test a nuclear weapon with such a neighbour...With NY so far from america what is the case of New Delhi...When pakistan backed terrorist struck bombay where 600 - 1000 people where killed, where was US and its allies..to help India..all they did was back Pakistan...Does it require 20000 lives in American soil to make the eyes of the world to open and see the attrocities of these fanatics...How many innocent people wer killed by the power politics - Atomic bomb in Hiroshima, Chemical warfrae in Vietnam, Splitting USSR ....Is it because Americans doesnt care about the other coountries - all it requires is money by selling arm to terrorist nations...and acquire wealth by denuncing all other nations who try to stand in dignity...What america should learn is give respect and take respect.
Truth is bitter...
Praveen
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Life Ain't Enough Posted Sep 13, 2001
Look! Who said that I don't have anything to do with what happened in America? Who said that I rejoiced at what happened in America? Who said that people dancing in the streets of Palestine can be justified? Who said that those who died in WTC weren't muslims? Who said that those who died in WTC were only white?
Even if they weren't muslims that doesn't matter... Even if they weren't white doesn't matter...
What matters is that IMAGINE THIS... "Your house is burned to ashes by someone... Your relatives are killed and your freedom taken away from you... You are forced to a position where you can't think clearly... You know you must do something... But what?"
Some would say "I would never kill anyone..." Yes! That's what i think too. But I wish that may that day never come to me. Because if it does happen to me... I don't know what i will do then. It's easy to say something when you are not in the middle of this thing. But it's difficult to control yourself when it does happen.
Try to get the message! Find the criminals and put them away forever... But don't you think prevention is better than cure? Let's stop the injustice in the world to bring a stop to terrorism... Let's respect the human blood becuase it's always red whether you are white or black, arabic or western, muslim or christian...
PLEASE GET THE MESSAGE!!!
What!?
Researcher 184715 Posted Sep 13, 2001
First of all I am afraid that you dont have any idea for who Demosthenes was!! Secondly, in this situation it is impossible to make a separetion for the victims. All the people are the same and all of them have the same rights on this world. The point is that americans with the alazonic attitude create a lot of enemies!!!
The Greek
Hello from the US
Researcher 184783 Posted Sep 13, 2001
I'd like to start out saying. Lets just say that it was your family or your friends in those buildings or on those planes. As a citizen of the United States I do agree in some cases that you are right. The US does stick its nose in alot of places where it has no place being. Alot of us here agree on that point. I wish you would try to put your self in our place at the moment. You all are proud people as well. Lets just say this happend to you. Lets say a plane, filled with your friends, neighbors and brothers, all inacent people, was hijacked and thrown through a building. I can see the Pentagon, thats a milatary structure, but not the World Trade Center. This building was filled with people from all over, just doing a job to make there mark in the world. I dont know if you have seen any of the footage of what happend. Or heard any of the storys. I have. As of today I have had only 3 hours of sleep. 3 hours. I can not beleave any one would do such a thing. And now they will not fess up. My friends where is the honor in that. What was this I ask you. If it was a act of war, than why not show themselves. Do you understand that the mayor of New York has now called for 6,000 body bags. 6,000!!!! Thats 6,000 souls that will no longer be able to experience lifes joys, 6,000 families left without a son, a brother, a sister, a mother, or a father. 6,000 people that will no longer be able to watch a game, visit far away places, eat ice cream or enjoy a good book. 6,000 voices silenced forever.
I'm sorry but I will back this country, its leaders and all its choices.
whom to blame ?
Researcher 184715 Posted Sep 13, 2001
I totaly agree with you! The man that maybe is responsible for this tragedy is a creature of US government. Weapons, training and studies were offered to Laden by americans! Everyone knows that!
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184656 Posted Sep 13, 2001
MESSAGE understood but you are missing a huge point here: If a reason exists for this particular act of terrorism, then why haven't the cowards who committed this atrocity come forward to enlighten us?
They have chosen massacre rather than discussion, slaughter before threat and have targeted one of the most powerful forces in the world thus inviting retribution and, by their own stupidity, will be responsible for even more death.
This attack has a lasting effect on the entire planet and was perpetrated for a reason as yet unknown by people as yet unknown.
HOW DO YOU PREVENT THAT??
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184557 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Justice.
lets discuss.
As a well versed student in Law and somebody who has a complete understanding of the importance of justice and Law in upholding everything that Democracy stands for I would like to show you a piece of U.S. style justice. Several years ago, American embassies were bombed and people were murdered, the attrocities were admitted to by one Osama Bin ladin. The Americans convicted the said defendent and proceeded to bomb several sites in Pakistan and Afghanistan using Cruise missiles fired from the Indian ocean (remeber George Bush using the words "cowardly attacks"? sort of describes the actions of a schoolboy bully who I was always taught was coward?) anyway I digress.
The point is in the upholding of democracy they side stepped all democratic processes including the freedom to defend in front of an INDEPENDENT panel any accusations levelled at a defendent. The U.S. killed approx 130, including civilians,people in two countries to punish the man they had convicted of a crime that he could not defend according to your OWN much loved system of Justice. I am now going to use this very example in a hypothetical situation: "I am a murderer and have killed people in the park - I live in Anytown, but the people do not wish to surrender me"
U.S. Justice Department "That's OK, we will just proceed and attempt to kill everyone and anyone in Anytown because you have been bad"
Who sounds like the backword 5th century tyranical force now?
Justice meant retribution against the perpretrator of that In-justice, or are we travelling back several hundred years and adopting the Chinese style of Justice "from the root" i.e. if someone was convicted of murder then his immediate family (mother, father, brothers, sisters and children) would have to be killed also, to ensure that the family's seed never again took root in society aka genetic cleansing.
Justice is your justification of ensuring that anybody who stands philosophically against you must be wiped out by your sense of the word.
If you also wish to discuss acts of terrorism by the US here is an extract from an earlier posting of mine - you are a ANGRY AMERICAN - I am an EYES WIDE OPEN TO THE WORLD HUMAN:
"I am a muslim. ALL muslims know that what happened yesterday was outside the remits of Islam and civilians should never be targetted. Does the means justify the ends? when the means are outside Islam NO Muslim can justify them.
Then why are we not sobbing in the streets for dead Americans?
For the same reason there was no international mournig for the 10,000 Rwandans who were being killed DAILY by a U.N.(aka U.S.) accepted regime, the same reason there was no mourning for the 1 million Iraqi CHILDREN (let alone adults) who have died under U.S. (sorry U.N.) sanctions, children of Palestine killed by US funded soldiers?, Mothers raped in Bosnia under NATO's (aka U.S.) gaze, Leabnese villages raped and systematically killed to protect a buffer zone against Israel?
There was no mourning for the Vietnemese killed by the US soldiers, they didn't cancel the football when 80,000 Indians were killed in the first day of the earthquake last year.
Islamic authors have been asked over the last few days "do the atrocities committed against Muslims by the U.S justify such measure?" if you read the above then you would say so - if you disagree the let me ask you - "do the bombings in the U.S. justify corresponding attacks against Muslim countries?" if you think YES - then you have completley justified the WTC Bombings. Thankyou."
Hello from the US
Researcher 184715 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Ok mate! Let's see something else. Have you got any idea how many babies are born with cancer or genetic problems in Irak or Yugoslavia, and how many years need in order to "clean" the environment from your uranium bombs? Do you know that the rivers in my country( Greece) are full of uranium from your bombs?
whom to blame ?
N'Spite Posted Sep 13, 2001
Bah. YOu name me one thing that AMerica has done that took away others freedoms? Did we take away thier freedoms to kill and abuse others? SHould we say we are sorry for that?
Should we leave our allies to parish when they need us most? If Isreal did not have America the Arab world would annihilate it. Completely. YOu tell me one thing America should not have done, or should have done to prevent such a thing? YOu compare us to them. How dare you! We have never ever targeted innocents! They kil themselves but e are to blame for the attrocites they put upon themselves. then inthe same breath idiots like you state that we are sticking our noses where it does not belong when we try to help them!.
Yes we have made mistakes like every nation. We do not have policies that hurt others freedoms. You can have your own opinnions surely, but you can go to hell for ever saying we deserved it or we asked for it.
Tragic? YES! Lessons Learned? NO!
Researcher 184153 Posted Sep 13, 2001
Yesterday I really learned a lot from reading messages posted on the BBC’s board. I realized how much other countries really love to see the US get hurt like we just did. There was an overwhelming amount of responses about how the US deserved what happened, and a number of people that justified those horrible actions. My view of England and the British is forever changed, I know that no one except perhaps Israel, is truly an American ally. I don’t wish this on any country, but I don’t think I’ll be sympathetic or empathic if something horrible ever happens to Britain. I know everyones history books are different, in that we all tell our own version of the truth, but I’ve come to realize that the US is depicted in a very negative one-sided light.
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- 1: Life Ain't Enough (Sep 13, 2001)
- 2: Researcher 184639 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 3: Demosthenes (Irrefutable FooFighter, Fire loving Pyro, and general Psycopath. "I dun descriminate. I hate everyone eaqually.") (Sep 13, 2001)
- 4: Researcher 184639 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 5: Researcher 184694 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 6: Researcher 184715 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 7: Researcher 184715 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 8: Researcher 184689 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 9: Researcher 184689 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 10: Researcher 184733 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 11: Researcher 184733 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 12: Life Ain't Enough (Sep 13, 2001)
- 13: Researcher 184715 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 14: Researcher 184783 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 15: Researcher 184715 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 16: Researcher 184656 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 17: Researcher 184557 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 18: Researcher 184715 (Sep 13, 2001)
- 19: N'Spite (Sep 13, 2001)
- 20: Researcher 184153 (Sep 13, 2001)
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