h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

SEF, please don't assume that we're ignoring or missing posts, or imply that I'm 'continuing to pretend' anything. I said last week that I'd like to see some suggestions on how to change things. Since then we've seen a little bickering, some copy-and-paste posts and a few moans but not a lot of actual suggestions beyond the abstract 'things must change'. Yes, you've pointed to the Code of Conduct and noted things that in your opinion are not working as you feel they should. Now turn that into something practical. What do we do to change this?

I have also made the same invitation to the Aces to consider ways we could improve things and we'll be taking all of this into account when we can.

Regards,

Jim

Jimster post 1661:

"but not a lot of actual suggestions beyond the abstract 'things must change'"

and

"Now turn that into something practical. What do we do to change this?"

By this you demonstrate that you have indeed not being paying attention to the actual posts or are choosing to misrepresent them.

Vicky Virago - or is it?
Re: post 1656

"oh no - you get me wrong......its just people (ie the italics) are having to keep a running comentory on this thread"

as a 'community', (some part of it, some cast out and their opinions unimportant and overlooked, previously stated/ref; 'unofficial' rules also), are we not allowed to point out when things arent right? are the staff still subscribed to this thread? havent heard from them in a while


"the points have now been made, and, perhaps leaving things be atm, will give the italics chance to catch up on themselves and give this time time and attention in deserves....."

points were made early on and have continued being referred to, originally some aces came in and tried to discuss it, some argued the point vehemently, some might say on the defensive, Mina even arguably and aggresively gave her points of view, (that being im foolish and the rest of us werent worth bothering about, that is though her opinion, who am i to argue? though im confused if she is no longer staff why she is still using her official name, nobody i dont think has been able to answer that satisfactorily), italics sat back for a couple of months give or take, and then after telling the aces, (Jim Lynn h2g2 said it not me before anyone gets trigger happy), to keep away from the thread, both himself and Natalie stated that 'mistakes' had been made in the past, however we should 'let bygones be bygones' etc, Jim Lynn h2g2 also informed us that himself and Natalie would be taking over the running of the site in January i believe, now just a point here, if they are not prepared to deal with this, (the phrase that lead me to believe this was Natalie saying 'let bygones be bygones'), how are they in a position to 'run' a site when they are not abiding by the rules that Jim Lynn h2g2 himself said, we must all abide by the bbc rules?! i did ask him this, and reminded him the post was there but i guess hes been busy!
i dont know for sure but i get the distinct impression that the staff have given it all the attention they intend to, or am i completely misreading these posts???!! i still havent had any replies to my emails, so im pretty sure this is all the attention it is going to get

"all i can see happening is people getting het up and frustrated and this doesnt help matters in my view"

who's getting het up and frustrated? us researchers or the upstanding members of the community, (ie some aces and some staff/ex staff), who it states in the rules do not enter a debate and make matters worse but trying to offer some 'well chosen' words? think this thread contridicts that rule left right and centre

"perhaps things should be left as they are and the thread stopped - then re-issue your thoughts direct to an italic who can look into it in a full and proper manner"?

you'd like the thread stopped? are you saying that as in 'its your opinion' or as a potential ace? hopefully your experiences on this site have all been positive 1's but if something isnt right on a site surely to make this a happier place for all concerned you'd think the staff would want this matter looked at and seriously looked into, wouldnt you? i have put my points in email, as requested by h2g2 nearly 3 months ago or something like that, other people have also enquired about the activities of aces/staff in the past, if they are not not prepared too take any action, they have clearly stated this in this thread, are you actually reading ALL of the posts here? dont you think it a pointless mail? as this is a community site, is it not important all of the community have the oppurtunity online to contribute to this thread? since my emails to h2g2 go unanswered i cannot see any point in wasting my time anymore down that avenue, that is not to say all email is ignored, i wouldnt know 100% for sure would i, though if you go back and read some of the previous posts you can also see in that there lies another contradiction

SEF
Re: post 1658

i may have failed to raise that point there but surely as himself/Natalie are staff they see these yikesed posts whether we do or not anyway so the links are there plainly for them to see whether they do anything about them or not is the issue

Jimster h2g2
Re: post 1661

(i referred to Jim Lynn in previous posts, might of meant you, appologies if ive made a mistake on which Jim)

you have given invitation to take issue with rules we feel are unjust but you still havent answered the question as to what, if any, action you intend taking on whats already been done, to say 'let bygones be bygones' (by Natalie, assuming you hold the same view as you havent contradicted her), frankly isnt good enough, if you are going to let aces/staff behave 1 way and us another it makes a mockery of the rules! and by saying suggest changes to them, as i understand it, thats been done before and nothing happened, so what exactly may i enquire if anything are you prepared to do here? im not trying to come aggressive, i am merely trying to be direct as many of my posts it would appear have been missed, or only some points referred to

Insomniac Vampire, I'm not Jim Lynn by the way. Hence why my name's Jimster onsite

I'm very concerned by your comment that we haven't replied to your emails. Could I just check which email address you're using to contact us?

erm not done yet but i got to go, real life calls

Please don't be mad at me IV....it was just my opinion - the possibilities of me becoming an ACE are not part of this thread and shouldn't really be dragged into it.

I was only putting forward what I thought would be the best possible answer to getting things put right.

As you point out - there are things going wrong with hootoo....I must admit that I haven't read them all, nor have I time too....see - this is my point - there is so much troll on here that it was take far too long to go through and pick out all the points that need addressing!

This, and only this, was my reason of putting my proposal forward....it makes sense to me. The italics are FULLY aware that people aren't happy - so why not condense what the problems are and present them again to the italics, together with notes as to how these could be put right.

Remember - things ain't going to happen over night.....

I am on no-ones side here - I am Me....I answer to no-one and as long as I don't break the house rules, I am generally left alone.

Jimster h2g2

i have appologised and made reference to the possible confusion over which 'Jim'

i will have to check which address, cant remember which 1 offhand as all my mails to h2g2 go unanswered

though i have to say, after almost 3 MONTHS of this thread, You are now 'very concerned'? did nobody think to enquire before? it is afterall not the 1st time i made this comment in this thread, i was presuming by a post from either yourself/other Jim you had been following this thread from the start?

anyway im running late, ill check my drafts in email later

::bookmark::

what you for a boxing baboon christmas ? have theses lot been abusing you? they have me dont know for some reason my posts are forever been coverd up .im know im no brain box but at least they could leave em alone .dont try bully

Jimster.








Do NOT *ACE* me!











Do NOT *ACE* me!







You may not like to be associated with what could be said using this researcher identity!








So this needs to be covered up? Breaks the <./>HouseRules</.> does it?
Just looks like a fair request and warning to others.

Post 1639 to 1645 removed as spam? Spam?

Dear h2g2 Researcher,

Thank you for contributing to h2g2. Unfortunately we've had to remove
your
Posting below because it contravenes the h2g2 House Rules, which you
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This decision has been made because it constitutes spam. Spamming
is the posting of the same or very similar messages to lots of Forums.

If you would like to re-write your contribution to remove the problem,
then
we'd be very happy for you to post it again.

If you disagree with this moderation decision please reply to this
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Yes just re-write it to show only the links without the body text. After all why make life easy for digibox users.

Though it was in only one forum. Your definition of spam is "lots" now means one?

If people visit U129960 there are links to a set of alternative rules.

A610390 Contents
A677261 Naughty Words
A677270 Links and URLs
A677289 Flames, Trolls, Abuse
A678170 The Law
A678558 Misc

I have actually raised a call to our techies about the missing emails but they couldn't find anything. That was when I thought of checking with you that you're using the right email address, IV.

(And apologies for the lateness of these replies - I've been in PC hell this week with my computer being moved to a desk at the other end of the room - which somehow translated to moving it to another building - grr!)

Natalie and I only took over the running of the Volunteer Groups recently (although we've helped out with some of them in the past, they were ultimately the responsibility of people no longer working on h2g2). So, we need to see what, if any, problems might be present in the way things are currently run. If we do identify problems with individual volunteers in any capacity then they'll be dealt with in private as we've done already with some volunteers in other groups recently.

At the moment, I'm prioritising the Editorial schedule for the Christmas period, but I am also staying subscribed to this thread to see if anything can be learned. If the only problem you have is the perceived unfair or biased treatment towards Aces, then that is someting we can address. How I or Natalie see the role of the Aces going forward might well be different to how it's been in the past, or it might turn out that the roles are working fine, but the application needs looking at. Whatever we learn from this, we don't feel this is someting that should be just changed overnight without consulting both sides.

You feel that the Aces get preferential treatment. Okay, we hear you. We now need to see if that's something we agree with, whether there are some Aces who've taken advantage of this and indeed whether there are some non-volunteers exploiting the Code of Conduct to attack people in the hope that the code will prevent them from replying. Whatever the outcome, we're at least conceding that it's not going to be as black-and-white as some might want it to be.

And in answer to the Works Cat, that decision was made by the moderators so I've not been party to it, but I did wonder why you copied and pasted entire pages rather than just linking to them. Much easier, surely?

Vicky Virago - or is it?
Re: post 1668

"please dont be mad at me"

why would i be mad? you are expressing 'your' opinions, i was simply asking if they was 'your' opinions or that of a wannabee ace being 'pc'..everyone is 'allegedly' entitled to an opinion on this site provided it doesnt break the house rules, of course..i started this thread and ive always stated i wanted researchers/aces and indeed staff too, to post their views/opinions on this matter

"as you - point out there are things going wrong with hootoo"

careful how you word that, if it appears in anyway you could be agreeing here, though i suspect thats just the way you worded it and not your personal opinion, you too could be considered for potential 'strikeout' material

"i must admit that i havent read them all, nor have i time too"

with all due respect how can you give a fair and unbiased opinion if you havent read Everything? clearly your experiences on h2g2 have been positive 1's, (which just go's to show there are some decent 'people' onsite), however, it makes what you are saying sound very much like the opinion of h2g2, said in previous threads, the aces are great, they are helpful and friendly, we like them but that was said without even considering if i or other researchers might actually have something here, though considering this is evidently not the 1st time this has happened it would appear h2g2 are wearing 'rose tinted spectacles', though saying all that it is also clear from links provided that perhaps the staff should also think about some of their previous posts online too

"the italics are FULLY aware that people arent happy"

no argument there, as i said this has been happening long before my issues and so far it doesnt appear as though anything was done before either

"remember things aint going to happen overnight...."

you sure your name isnt Jim? lol

Vicky, i am not mad at you, not in the slightest, but read all the thread, so then you can get a clearer picture of whats going on, though saying that many posts, for no real good reason have been yikesed, thus distorting whats really going on, but at least then you would have a better understanding of all the issues raised

bully beef was book marking ? on with the conversation

Jimster h2g2
Re: post 1666

the feedback address;

[email protected]

1 of the aces previous in this thread, forget which 1 and would take me to long to go back and check, and also the h2g2 team told me to post there

"could i just check the email address your 'using' to contact us"?

just to say i am no longer trying to contact you, after dozens and dozens of mails not being replied to i have since stopped bothering, as Mina stated, 'some of us arent worth bothering about'