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noticed the changing color's on the front page/Look's very nice. Like the new sign on.
Been trying to do more recently but, I got some wierd type of thing that is a virus but, not a virus on my side on the computer. Norton said no virus but, I now what I keep seeing! Think I got it worked out so hopefully later more typing for me/I finally got thru to microsoft wasn't the easiest thing to do got gridlocked out of being able to send the error report's. But, everything seem's okay now from just being able to get to my site or even onto/into the internet without pop-up problem's! Norton said no virus's but when I click twice & my indicator say's 70,!~Yeah! Plus I took the indictor off for that reason. So to make long story hopefully more typing today/tomorrow/which is today for me.
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Worrabedylc
Re: post 1584

"oh by the way i am just happy that using the ican i am able to have a chat without the risk of it causing offence to other researchers"

whys that Marc? or would you prefer i stick to the researcher name you are using today? you sound almost as if you are not especially referring to this thread, have you had some bother with people on this site too?

"something that i think some other researchers could take on board"

perhaps though i dont mind posting wherever, but then i spose it would be of advantage just to keep particular people from spying on my conversations, my only query here though in responce to 'ican', (which i cant at present lol), is why call something private when it isnt

SEF
Post 1600

Yes, point taken. The point that I was trying to get across was that it is only on the iCan site that there is a bloody great big button that says 'Leave private message'. So by extension, iCan is the only site that actively offers that feature. It's usable for users on other dna sub-sites but they have to go through some extra hoops to do it.

Just to address something SEF mentioned, private messaging *is* a feature only for iCan as no other DNA sites offer it. If a Researcher decides to manipulate URLs to break their way into iCan's feature from another site, then that discussion has to come under the House Rules of that site, not those of iCan.

We are currently discussing the 'spillage' of this feature with iCan, and will get back to you all when we have something more concrete to say.

To be fair Jimster, I didn't break into anything when I tested the 'private' messages thing. I signed up to iCan with one of my accounts, then went to the U-page of another of my accounts and waved hello.
In the process of posting that message, as I expected, the skin defaulted back to that first account's Goo skin.

This is the way that everyone else is using the private messages feature isn't it? Or am I missing something (yet again)?

Intern
Re: post 1586

"as a matter of fact i do know what they mean"

others here might beg to differ with the way you seem to be interpreting them

"and the fact that you are telling any one that will listen to you that we are police and we dont stick to the house rules and that the aces are corrupt as well they are (alligations). alligations which are un founded and unsubstatiated to any one's statisfaction and you are not seeming to make any effort to post them so there fore you are telling un truths about the people involved"

no.1/ i did not 1st mention that phrase so do not turn any example into a personal attack on me, however with it seeming appropriate i have used it in later posts
no.2/ the fact that some aces have not stuck to the house rules has been proved, as has the fact that staff members have also acted innapropriately, though yikesing posts that would question the integrity of this site and those who portray themselves to be better than that does seem to be a popular occurence here
no.3/ unfounded? unsubstanciated? perhaps you have overlooked some posts 1 from Jimster h2g2 in particular, he has acknowledged 'mistakes made'
no.4/ we? as in aces you mean? are you including yourself? i said 'some', i havent accused all the aces

"this thread has gone on for how long"

you are already aware i opened this thread, if you'd care to go back and see for yourself i think you'll find it was started on Oct 6th

"we are corrup---prove it"

there are examples all over this site, admittedly some of the more devious aces have unsubscribed from conversations, (and with knowing pals pw's have unsubscribed them too), making them hard to find but other examples are there, proving it in this thread though admittedly is difficult with 'some' busily going round hiding the truth

"and if you cant in all the month the thread has been going on you are purposly spreading malisious comments that is nothing more than heresay and wish full thinking about aces involved and the ace group"

early Oct till mid Dec, thats almost 2 months..is it heresay? wishful thing? hardly! id like to be able to use this site and be treated the same as anyone else, i dont believe any ace is better than me, the badge only means they/you are volunteering to help out on this site not persecute me or anyone else for that matter, to say its wishful thinking on my part to suggest i enjoy being treated
unfairly doesnt make any sense

"i will look into the dates etc of the awol insident but i think that they were different days"

i know what happened that night, and so did you, you was talking to him in this thread, yet any given night 1 of your hobbies seems to be following people, so whatever you say makes no difference, but at least we will know eh

"well one conversation you said you was on my space thats how you knew i had posted it now you had subscribed thinking i was some one els please just make your mind up"

i cant talk to you, you do my head in, what part of 'i am not subscribed to any of your conversations' or at least if i was i can assure you it would of been untentional, meaning if i thought it was someone elses thread', do you not understand? you dont read my posts properly then you accuse me of saying things i havent said, if you go back and re-read what i have said properly, you'll see i have answered you, more than once now

i am not going to keep going over the same points with you and you alone, if you want to use any more of my conversations by way of example to show my past behaviour, then do, you of all people probably have a better idea than most where they are anyway, but to keep raking over the same 1, and making it come over very 1 sided is not right and in doing so you are giving people a percetion of me that isnt correct, that is not the only conversation i have been in

"im away now to do some digging"

dig away, it is afterall something you seem very adept at

ive unsubscribed from some threads why would that make anyone "in your words" devious ?? ypur other point about no 2 "some" aces have not stuck to the house rules has been proved" where is the evidence for this statement ?? i have been following this thread since the start and as yet i see no evidence of this fact. From now on i will be taking no further part in this thread because i feel nothing more can be added to what ive said on this thread

Star Fleet

SEF
Re: post 1591

i may be wrong about who can/cant access a PM but to say it is private when it isnt, is misleading to researchers

yeah i noticed this site has 'glips' every so often, what was up the last couple of days? mind saying that i have a strong feeling, the problems lie elsewhere like with tw, not sure about that, XML document page?, error thingy though, lol i didnt take much notice of the wording just tried to get back to where i was, meant retyping a few long posts id spent ages on very frustrating!

Greydesk
Re: post 1597

ahh progress we have found something we agree on lol (Newsflash: historic moment in this thread)

ok, fair point, i wasnt aware that 'Ican' was a separate team on here but something that hopefully is addressed anyhow

Starfleet
Re: post 1607

its not unsubscribing that makes the action devious, as anyone who has been following this thread ought to know, what i originally said was, the timing was sneaky!

i have already answered your other question on more than 1 occassion to your friend Intern

your unsubscribing? again?
ok well if you feel, again, that nothing more can be added then thats up to you isnt it, no doubt should you go back on that the thread will still be here wont it?

Jimster h2g2
Re: post 1604

ahh you are back, gracing us with your presence again in view of how busy you are

i just wanted to point out post 1546 for you, incase it had been overlooked, with reference to the bbc house rules etc im keen to hear any views you might have on it, and i suspect maybe others could be aswell

Jimster post 1604:
GreyDesk post 1605:

"Private" messaging is observably not just for iCan. If it were intended to be so then the forums would not be related to the site of the recipient but always on iCan. Some of the current users of the feature, especially those on digiboxes, will have gone to ican, looked up someone, started to leave them a message and suddenly found themselves on h2g2 (or occasionally elsewhere).

Posts are on threads, threads are on forums, forums are on dna sites (possibly attached to U-numbers or A-numbers) and there isn't that much difference between them. So of course someone who already knows someone's user-ID or has seen where a message ended up may have the ability to make the right URL without going back through ican again. This is just the same as all the other links people can make and use. Advanced technology may seem like magic to those who don't understand it but it isn't really magic.

I.V. post 1608:

I suppose there is the remote possibility that the BBC are breaking the trade descriptions act by calling the messages private. They certainly aren't private in the way that providers of encrypted services promise. However, finding another term for them might be difficult. Perhaps some footnoted small print disclaiming any genuine privacy (like the ones disclaiming liability for content) is required.

my private guestbook witch is on my usual space U515859 works in h2g2 im not involved with ican in anyway

SEF
Re: post 1612

a footnoted smallprint disclaiming any genuine privacy - im sure that






would be adequate and not an unreasonable request

blame the keyboard for previous post, had error page and it took on a life of its own!

The issue of RESPECT.

This was raised by Jimster. There is a common misconception about it which underlies some of what other people do/say. I think it likely that some people won't understand this on their own. So I'm going to make it explicit.

Respect is *not* something you deserve to get just by having a badge. This includes the staff badge. There has been a lot of badge-waving on site (recently and historically) by people trying to demand respect without deerving it. That has been a cause of a lot of problems. On this thread there are people misguidedly defending the badge/group itself without separating that concept from the individuals who happen to have the badge of the group.

Genuine respect is something which has to be earned through competency and honesty. The respect of people who don't appreciate this fact is not worth having. Those people who happen to have badges of "office" but are incompetent and/or dishonest are not worthy of respect. They are also not worthy of defence by other badge holders. Yet this is what happens over and over again - both here and in real life.

Conversely it is possible to be deserving of respect without having a badge of office. There is also the concept of having respect for the ideals of a group. But this is all too commonly confused with having to respect those individuals who fail to come even remotely close to those ideals despite waving a badge at people at trying to demand it (either explicitly or in their nickname or message sign-off).

Oops typos:

people trying to demand respect without deserving it

waving a badge at people and trying to demand it

Jimster wanted to know some of the rules which are either wrong or badly applied. Since thread is primarily about ACEs because that's where I.V. first(?) noticed the problem, the ACE pages are probably the place to start.

A214796 The Aces' Home Page

"The Aces meet and greet newcomers to h2g2 ." [space as mistake on page]

Some ACEs observably don't. Or they do it so infrequently that this looks more like a token badge for prideful waving than a genuine intent to do the job for which they volunteered. Some ACEs have even gone on record (both on and off site) admitting that they don't greet and have no intention of doing so - and making up other things to do instead to try and justify keeping their badge. If they had any scruples, these people would resign. They could still do those other things (assuming they do not include harrassing other users) but without all the badge-waving.

A214796 The Aces' Home Page:

Here are some statements which currently deserve the rolling on the floor laughing smiley.

"They are particularly kind and helpful members of the h2g2 community"

- not much more to say about this. You either get it or you don't.

"These wonderful people are completely voluntary"

- less than wonderful unless one wonders why some of them are there and badly phrased anyway. Membership of the ACEs is voluntary, being a person isn't, being a wonderful person would be except that many of them aren't.

"The following Researchers have joined the Aces"

- As currently phrased this should include all former members too. Since the list is out of date it doesn't even meet the intended meaning of being those researchers who are in the group at the moment. Perhaps some of Jim Lynn's time is needed to update it or create a method by which it can be updated on a daily (or weekly) basis like search.

i didnt say i was unsubcribing i will continue to read this thread "sneaky/devious" is there a difference ??

Star Fleet