h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

A few points I'd like to make...

1) You misunderstood me slightly when I asked about the name. What I meant was, why the name 'Satanism' in particular? Wouldn't 'Enkism' be more accurate, not to mention getting some of those Christians of your back.

2) "After the fall of Egypt, the Gods were cursed and labelled as “demons” in Christian/Hebrew texts."

This happened to all religeons, and has been applied to all. 'Spiritual Satanism' is in no way special in this regard; Islam has for centuries come under the same attacks.

Again, not all of the gods were labeled as demons. Looking at the gospels, we see that Jesus and Mary Magdalene often bear resemblances to Osiris and Isis.

While some Jewish demons did originate as the gods of other tribes, most in fact began as Jewish gods which had to become demons (or, in some cases, angels) when the Jews started to absorb elements of Zoroastrianism.

3) "Among them are Enlil renamed as Beelzebub, Enki renamed as Satan, and Inanna renamed as Ashtaroth."

Incorrect. Beelzebub began as the Canaanite god Baal. Astaroth started out as the goddess Ishtar - who was, admittedly, Sumerian.

Enki had nothing to do with Satan. This character began as the Zoroastrian god Ahiriman, who was pure evil and not, so far as I am aware, based on any previous gods. After absorbing Zoroastrian elements, the Jews felt the the good god Yahweh must be better tha the evil god, and so he became a fallen angel. His Avestan name, Aingra Mainyu (meaning evil god), became Aeshma Daeva in Hebrew, and was later softened to Asmodeus in Greek. Asmodeus also went by the name Sammael, meaning 'Blindness of Yahweh,' and ha-Satan, meaning 'Enemy' or 'One Who Obstructs.' When the Bible was translated into Latin, this is the name that was used, which is how we get the name Satan.

4)"One example is the story of "Adam and Eve". In Sumer it was the story of Enki's children"

The Biblical story is actually a mixture of bits and pieces from various different cultures and religeons, probably thrown together to try and make everyone happy. If you actually read it, you can spot the inconsistencies. It certainly does contain elemtns of Sumerian mythology, but to say it was entirely stolen from Sumer is false.

5)"He, with the help of Inanna, made the first humanoid people with genetic engineering on an Ape-like species that evolved on Earth."

Genetic engineering and evolution in 10,000BC or so? Hmmm...

6)"Also, the story of the flood and Noah originated in Sumer."

It may have originated there, but practically every ancient civilization had a Flood story, even the Aztecs.

7) "Enki/Ptah, the creator of humanity, was called Satan and a “fallen angel”. "

See point 3.

8) "Enki/Ptah was seen by the ancients as a "Father" figure, and therefore was labelled the "destroyer of humanity" by newer religions to kill the old faiths which revered him."

Actually, most religeons tried to incorporate elements of the old religeons into their own, so they could show the unconverted that adopting the new faith did not mean abandoning the old. See my previous comment on Jesus/Mary and Osiris/Isis.

9)"The Church of Satan...paved the way for Spiritual Satanists, by getting the word "Satanism" used in public."

I don't see much similarity between the Church of Satan and 'Spiritual Satanism.' I would also like to restate my point that Enkism would have been a more suitable name.


I concede that most followers of this religeon are probably very nice people, but I feel that anyone who tries to pretend that true Satanism has nothing to do with devil worshipping and praise of evil is only trying to attract attention.

I've explained the reasons for much of this in the article. Also, I would like to point out that your views are from a "god" or christian angle of good and evil or black and white. About the "genetic engineering" bit: they were GODS, they obviously had the technology to have genetic engineering if they had spaceships that could travel all this way. It's all explained in the Lost Book of Enki. A lot of your opinions and others are based on mostly skin deep, shallow knowledge of the gods and ancient religions. I think too many people make the mistake of thinking that people like myself are in it for the "image". I've done my research and know personally the things that I talk about. Sumerian gods all had aspects of evil. They had no "evil" gods, it was all based on reality-different shades of grey. Enki was the god of the earth. His name means "lord of the Earth". Also, his original name was ea, which means, roughly, the lord of water. It's funny, because it's EArth, and in some languages, the word for water begins with the letters EA. This is one of the many reasons I believe so fully in this. It's hard to actually explain most of it, but if someone's mind is open enough, they could figure it out and see it for what it's worth.

--enkiraeyn
Hollenfeuer Teufel...Die Verdammten

Can you tell us where some of your research comes from? Because my historical research fits in with the people making the suggestions. A bibliography would help the entry quite a bit, also.

From someone raised in an atheist household: Men need technology like genetic engineering because they are not gods. Gods create what they want in the first place. If you're saying that the ancient Egyptian/Sumerians were alien beings (which a LOT of people believe), then they are not gods ... they may be helpful, even holy, teachers, like Jesus. But not gods.

I'm aquainted with quite a few Satanists here in the US (my bus stop to work is at a shopping mall, and there are many students there) and they all worhip Satan, wear upside-down crosses and pentagrams (regular pentagrams were used by the Puritans to ward OFF evil), and listen to Marilyn Manson. They're all also intelligent people who debate their beliefs against whatever I throw at them much clearer and less defensively than you. On your space you don't mention how old you are ... perhaps your communication skills will improve with practice.

I'd be happy to share MY list of books, too, if you were interested.

There are different types of Satanism, which I hope I made clear. Many "satanists" were stuff like that but don't always actually believe anything and are doing it for the look. Listening to Marilyn Manson has nothing to do with Satanism. He was deemed the "reverend" of the Church of Satan, purely for his "anti-social" type lyrics, but never really had any part in the Church. Also, I don't see what my age has to do with anything. About "clear and less defensive": arguments are better in person because feelings are better expressed and opinions aren't warped, as they are through a computer. It's always easier to articulate and understand people face to face, so I don't see why you would be comparing my writing to a verbal exchange- especially because I've written what I have as an overview of the religion, and not for the purpose of an argument.
The "gods" are refered to as such because they are/were very powerful and were seen as greater beings by those who worshipped them. They were just beings from another planet, but I don't see why the term "god" is so "wrong". It fits, and they are god-like. I know most sources do contradict me, but in case no one's noticed, most "historical" documents from ancient times have been destroyed and most "history" is based around judeo-christian concepts. "We" know little about the ancients, but everything about christianity/judaism/catholicism. There have been finds in North America that reveal Ancient Egyptian presence on the continent, before any "settlers" came. This was completely "quarantined" by the U.S. government and never were any photos released to the public. Some "questionable" things were found and given to the Smithsonian, which were then reported "missing" by them, and were supposedly dumped in an ocean. This is all to save governments the "hassel" of rewriting history books and contradicting Judeo-christian concepts. I know the arguments against these things and they are "there is no proof". I know there is little, except first-hand testimony and articles, but do you really think a government trying to hide all that would give evidence for it and not try to hush everything up?
I do include some reference materials at the end of my entry, which are where I got most of my information. The websites' information is taken from translations of documents or different books, which are usually listed on the sites. Also, some things are the personal experiences of the makers of the sites.
And about your comment about "warding OFF evil"-we do not call ourselves evil and do not aprreciate it very much. We recognise the existence of light and dark as healthy and that there should be a proper balance in life of the two, though grey is much better than that black and white concept.

Also, the pentagram (regardless of the way it was pointing-which was, incidentally, down) was present in Egypt as well as Sumer originally. It was a symbol of power and the gods, as well as spirituality.

--enkiraeyn
Hollenfeuer Teufel...Die Verdammten

This is getting better, but it still has a lot of very ridiculous stuff in it:

"In Sumer, tens of thousands of years ago, they knew about the planets." - The earliest writing from Sumer is about 5,000 years old, so we have no way of knowing what they thought tens of thousands of years ago.

Earth -Ki -"white at top & bottom, green & brown in between" -- an amazingly inaccurate description of Earth, which is more or less white all over, as can be seen from space pictures. This sounds like a description of the way people think it should be rather than the way it is, but we'll let that pass.

"They [the pyramids] are made of huge stones that would have been practically impossible for "modern" machinary to reproduce." -- no they're not. The blocks used in the pyramid are generally fairly roughly cut and would be no problem for modern machinery, or for any civilised nation over the last 3000 years to produce. What is amazing is the determination.

"They are situated on Ley lines, which are locations of energy vortexes and power. " -- highly questionable. Very few people believe in the existence of ley lines.

"They are also alligned with the three stars on Orion's Belt." -- no they're not. You can't have three things on the earth's surface (which rotates) aligned with three stars in the sky (which doesn't).

"Stonehenge is also baffling." -- It doesn't baffle me. It's a fairly standard stone circle with a few alignments thrown in.

"no one knows how whoever made it got the stones there" -- true, but it's not a great mystery.

I still don't understand why you call your god Satan. Why do you say that the good god that you worship is the same person as the evil devil that Christians revile. What makes you think that both groups are talking about the same entity?

"God-like" and "god" are not the same thing at all.

What your age has to do with it is 1) not having enough time on Earth to research things properly & 2) baseing your entire philosophy of life on one book (even Christans and Jews read more than that!)

The reports of Egyptian finds in the US are, frankly, bullsh!t. People looooooove to re-write history books, too. Between the time I was in school, and my son got there, things had changed.

Re: "Also, the pentagram (regardless of the way it was pointing-which was, incidentally, down) was present in Egypt as well as Sumer originally."
The yin-yang symbol was found on a old sword-blank in Ireland, too, but it doesn't make them Taoists.

Sounds to me like some people are complete sceptics of everything, and I highly doubt that anything I say would be close to satisfactory, so I'm not going to try to answer comments of that nature.

That's fair; of course, you're not being open-minded in the slightest, either. But that's ok- there's no law that says either one of us has to be.

I'm not suggesting that you give up your beliefs! I just want you to explain them without resorting to things that are clearly untrue. The Guide is supposed to be fact, not fiction. It is a fact that Spiritual Satanists exist. It is not a fact that the Pyramids are built of giant blocks that could not be made with modern technology.

Here's what Flinders Petrie, the most respected Egyptologist in the field, said about the construction of the sarcophagus in the Great Pyramid, for example:

"It is not finely wrought... On the outer sides the lines of sawing may be plainly seen... On the N. end is a place, near the W. side, where the saw was run too deep into the granite, and was backed out again by the masons; but this fresh start they made was still too deep, and two inches lower they backed out a second time, having altogether cut out more than 1/10 inch deeper than they intended."

By all means write an entry about your religion. But don't try and pad it out with ridiculous assertions.

"Also, I would like to point out that your views are from a "god" or christian angle of good and evil or black and white."

So how do you know what's inside my head? I don't think like that at all!

"Enki was the god of the earth. His name means "lord of the Earth". Also, his original name was Ea, which means, roughly, the lord of water. It's funny, because it's EArth, and in some languages, the word for water begins with the letters EA."

The Ea-Earth thing I suspect is nothing more than a coincidence, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

References to Ea often show him sitting on a throne above a number of rivulets. A very similar description is given to the throne of Yahweh in the Biblical Book of Revelations.

I read an article a while ago linking various things, including fallen angels, ancient gods, and Atlantis. It seems that from the name 'Ea' are derived the names of several other gods, including:

Yahweh
Yehovah
Allah
Janus
Uranus

I can't remeber the others, but look at the first three. Not exactly Satan now, are they?

I'll try and dig up the reference in order to defend my statement better, not sure if it's online.

Look, I'm sick of debating and reiterating things. What I've said, I've said. This article was to be an overview of Spiritual Satanists' beliefs. I did not ask whether you thought we were right. Christians say the Earth was made in 7 days, but I'm not attacking them saying: "no, the Earth was made because of a supernova explosion" or whatever. My entry is to tell people the beliefs of myself and others. I do not care whether you think I'm wrong, that is not the point. The point is: These are our beliefs and just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't permissible to be believed in. I don't write what I don't believe in fully. Much of the knowledge I have of Sumer is from different books on it's mythology-one being The Lost Book of Enki. I don't see how you can get closer to the truth of a culture than a translation of it's writings, which is what that book is-a translation from Sumerian. I have done research on Egyptian and Sumerian mythology, as have many people who practice my religion. This is what they've discovered to be true, and I can't help it if people don't think I'm right. There isn't much reliable information out there on Sumerian mythology or history. There's no balance of info. The library in my town doesn't have anything on Sumer-but it has around 300 books on Christianity alone. All I'm trying to do is get my religion out in the open and balance the amount of info out there.

--Hollenfeuer Teufel...Die Verdammten...HOLLENMACHTE!

Are you really saying that this is what you believe and you have absolutely no idea why? That is a very strange religion, in that case. Most religions have some reason for believing what they believe.

You must have some reason for thinking that the God you worship is Satan?

I never said I had no reason to believe it. I believe in it fully and have my own personal reasons to do so. I said I don't care if OTHER people don't see my reasoning. Also, I don't care that other people may think I have no reasons. I never said I myself had no reason to believe this way.

--Hollenfeuer Teufel...Die Verdammten...Hollenmachte!!

You are of course entitled to believe in this without telling us the reasons. But you are supposed to be writing an entry about the religion. It seems strange to talk about the religion without explaining it in a Guide Entry.

But I've said enough on the subject. I'll leave you to it and let the scouts decide whether they want to pick it or not.

Until everything in the thread has been addressed, including the particularly important points Gnomon has highlighted, I can't see this going anywhere, I'm afraid

Ouch, this all seemed to get a bit nasty quickly.
I propose moving this back to the entry.

Kat

Agreed.

Beelzbub was "Ba'alzEbh'ubh" the Philistine god of Ekron, not Canaanite god Baal.Enlil was god of the sacred precints of the city of Nippur and was in no way connected.Satan means accuser adversary or opponent prosecution in a legal case, rather than strictly enemy.So "Love thy enemy" is not interpred as liscence to Love satan.
These are arcane notions better of left in the past.

I believe I already stated that the ties between the different gods is made by research, which was originally done by others than myself, but I do believe them. I'm not asking whether you think I'm right either. Also, 'Lucifer' means "the shining one" or "lightbringer", which doesn't seem to have much to do with "the destroyer of humanity", now does it?

--Hollenmachte