h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

"I heard about that Apparition, another cheer!"

The green co-leader made sense 'he doesn't listen to the Australian people so why shoule we listen to him' was said among other things.

>>All those old American values no longer seem to be on the table.<<
In microcosm, jwf - the TV series '24'. Jimmy and I loved it last year (made b4 Sept 11th 2001) but we watched the first episode of series #2, last night, and *hated* it (as Flip Wilson would have said.) Jimmy is more tolerant, but it is so *harsh* and these values you mention are gone! (Not to mention the threats President Palmer was making to the Prime Minister of the unnamed 'Reel Bad Arab' country which is the villain in this series

< Absotively, Peachy! That's appalling, and typical - I don't have a lot of faith in the vote anyway... we've heard about bribes/threats here. I cheered when we heard on the World Service on Sunday, that Turkey had voted against allowing Americans free rein - but I fear they may be going back on it.>

The turkey goverment is in between a hard place and a even harder place. They are desperate for a on the Table $30 billion aid package by the US. Also they have $16 billion at stake in IMF loans.{thier markets took a big hit today} However their National pride is at stake now and a reversal without a valid reason would be suicide for the politicians.

When he asked in Parliament whether the CIA would be named a terrorist organisation within the meaning of the act (terrorism act) I emailed him a letter of support. He's a nice guy! Keith Locke that is...

"*I think, Starbirth, Analiese has made it pretty clear that the victimizers are the government and those who support it's policies relevant to the issues of treaty violations and encroachment. So if the moccassin fits, I'm sorry, but I'm not the one who can do anything about that.*

No Analiese you have not that is precisely the point. You have repeatedly made blanket statements about americans in whole as if they were some collective intelligence."

Well, golly, Starbirth, I do believe that egegeous oversight has been corrected now, don't you? I guess all us savages who wear blankets just can't get away from blanket statements, but we try. What have you done lately?

Della


Della, come on hollywood as a comentary on american values. If you are going to use it then you have to also give America credit for trying to save the worlds children if you take into account Sally Struthers informertals for Save the Children

Della


Della, come on hollywood as a comentary on american values. If you are going to use it then you have to also give America credit for trying to save the worlds children if you take into account Sally Struthers informertals for Save the Children

Then I take it the past statments you have made about americans were actually intended for the american goverment?

I guess all us savages who wear blankets just can't get away from blanket statements, but we try. What have you done lately? >

Sad Analiese you are much to intelligent for that last statement.

Then I take it the past statments you have made about americans were actually intended for the american goverment?



Sad Analiese you are much to intelligent for that last statement.

Thanks for that CNN link anhaga

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/27/sprj.irq.diplomat.resignation/

The bias it displays in the guise of 'balanced' reporting would be laughable if it weren't so frightening.

It suggests that this ambassador has a history of antagonistic and melodramatic gestures. He is so well known for histrionics that he has actually won awards for it, because the Government in its wisdom recognises the need for some to express dissent.

His views are never stated or explained but likened probably to the 'nay' side that is typical of half of America, as if it were some fair and balanced debate in true democratic spirit, thereby dismissing his credentials and values as a close observer of the detailed facts. The content and message of his 'supposed' text was printed in the New York Times for only those willing to look for it; but why bother; he's obviously a crackpot and just one more voice in the usual chorus of protesters, naysayers and doomsayers.

And then the final dismissal that:
"At the time of the Bosnian war a decade ago, several State Department official resigned because they felt the United States was not doing enough to prevent the Serb slaughter of Muslims in that conflict."
This red herring (entirely of their construction) is brought in to reinforce the idea that today there is no question that American is 'doing enough' so this old fart must be out of date and out of touch as well as a known rabble rouser. And even if he was right this sort of thing has happened before, senile old ambassadors being mostly flakes seeking attention and air time.

God help us all.

~jwf~

Well, Starbirth, I think you're much more intelligent too. So here's the issue.

Blanket statements don't even matter in this context because the American government has made commitments it has failed to honor and if it's truly what Lincoln said, the government of, by and for the people, then anybody who claims American citizenship would come under that blanket.

It's funny how when we're talking about the benefits of American citizenship, most Americans want to stand up and be counted but when we get to the liabilities, that's a different story. Then it's, "Don't make blanket statements," because few people want to raise their hands or stand up for America then.

At least the Kiwis are paying their colonial bills, however belatedly and however it must gall some of them to do it, they're doing it. The same goes for the Australians, so why should Americans be an exception to that?

This is sort of the same thing we've been discussing with this wretched war issue too. The American government keeps wanting to make exceptions for itself and a majority of the American people seem to be okay with that.

Now if that's not true, maybe we need to see a little less talk and a little more action, huh? Because I got to tell you that American promises don't mean a heap of bobcat puke to me, and I don't know why anybody else would believe them either.

So I hope you'll forgive me for wondering why, as intelligent as you appear to be, you seem to be so concerned with blanket statements instead of how we can fix the problem? Does that mean you'd rather be part of the problem rather than part of solution?

>> Then I take it the past statments you have made about americans were actually intended for the american goverment? <<

Will somebody wake up starbirth. Or maybe just roll 'm over so the snoring doesn't disturb the other jackasses.

>> Sad Analiese you are much to intelligent for that last statement. <<

Analiese's intelligence is not (and never should be) in question. Your humourless failure to appreciate it however is starting to get a little annoying. Oh look, now you've even dragged me down into a personal slinging match.

So can we stick to the issues and leave the baiting and trolling and personal attacks to the likes of Bush and the other madmen who insanely believe that there is any constructive value in pissing people off.

And m'dear Analiese, your willingness to suffer fools has been noted and applauded but please, in future be so kind as to just ignore them when they don't get it, even the second time, when by their continued antagonism it is obvious they aren't ever going to.

There is a special place in hell, filled with poison ivy, for people who love to go on digging and scratching forever, where they can finally do no harm to others.

~jwf~

"The Turks don't seem to be happy about US troops massing in their country and the Turkish PM ultimately answers to the people who elected him - not the United States."

How strange. I thought this was going to be settled by a bribe (or those who prefer euphemisms, not a "bribe" but an agreement to more financial aid from the US to Turkey). Will war supporters begin lambasting Turks as they have the French? Maybe we should just push north from Kuwait, across Iraq and all the way north through Turkey too.

Actually jwf I respect commitment and cause and passion that Analiese brings to her cause.If you look back you will see I have said this to her. I disagree on some of the direction and framing of some of her disputations. That does not mean it is personal nor that I disrespect her. I was under the impression that we were having a little verbal sparring. {Analiese if you mistook any of my words as personally offensive I assure you it was not my intention.}


I have not made personal attacks baited or trolled Analiese. I have not accused her of sleeping nor of being a fool, Jackass, humerless or annoying. I certainlly did not tell her their was a special place in hell for her. All of which you have deemed perfectly just to exspress to me. "surely heaven waits for you"

In the hope of injecting more thought rather than mere rhetoric, I provide, once again, an element that I assure you will be worth your time and, you will find, is, as always, authentic! Cheers!

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/op-ed/goldsborough/20030303-9999_mz1e3golds.html

Analiese said: "At least the Kiwis are paying their colonial bills, however belatedly and however it must gall some of them to do it, they're doing it. The same goes for the Australians, so why should Americans be an exception to that? ... This is sort of the same thing we've been discussing with this wretched war issue too. The American government keeps wanting to make exceptions for itself and a majority of the American people seem to be okay with that."

So, I am interested in hearing your points on (1) what the problems are; (2) how they should be fixed. I know, broad question, but I'm specifically asking with regard to those who did not immigrate to the USA as opposed to those who were culturally here ... uhm, let's just say since before Christopher Columbus showed up.

- JD

>> "surely heaven waits for you" <<

But for that parting shot I could have ignored you y'beggar!
Now I have to explain my uncalled for remarks. I was right out of order and way over the top. It's this coming war y'see, it's got me all riled up and I just wanna kill something.


~jwf~

Thanks for asking, JD, but I'm not going to get sucked into that again on this thread.

The issues are pretty well summarized in my personal space and related links so if you'll go there you can probably get started with dealing with the issues. They do in fact concern the people with who the United States government made treaties so who might have been involved before that isn't really the issue although many people try to make it an issue for reasons best known to themselves I guess.

I'll be happy to discuss it with you on any thread you find that interests you that specifically addresses those things okay?