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What's wrong with GMT then?
Sho - employed again! Started conversation Mar 15, 2001
Some guys at Swatch spent a lot of time working all this stuff out, while the rest of us were busy living our lives, calculating time easily and if necessary converting everything back to GMT (or Zulu time if you're in the British Forces)
This @ time wins my award for the uselessly futile invention
What's wrong with GMT then?
gaga Posted Mar 15, 2001
But it's a great marketing trick, isn't it?
I bet they've even got patents pending on that (and which clockmaker wouldn't like to have a patent on time )
What's wrong with GMT then?
Xanatic Posted Mar 15, 2001
Yeah, exactly. We have GMT so what´s the point of just putting some new dateline in switzerland? But I wouldn´t be surprised if a lot of people have bought it anyway. Usually when you talk to Americans for example, they want you to do calculations in Eastern Standard Time even if you tell them the rest of the world runs with GMT. The decimalising was a good idea though, even if it should have been done more thourough. Everything with months days and years should have been changed. To the Maya calender for example.
What's wrong with GMT then?
Shea the Sarcastic Posted Mar 15, 2001
What do you mean the rest of the world doesn't calculate time using Eastern Standard Time?!
Then again, I suppose you're right, 1/2 the time they use Eastern Daylight Saving Time!
What's wrong with GMT then?
gaga Posted Mar 15, 2001
To really get to decimals we could just build watches which show the unix time format (milliseconds since January 1, 1970)
What's wrong with GMT then?
Icarus Posted Mar 15, 2001
I don't see the point of making time metric. We already have perfectly servicable hours and minutes doing quite a good job of breaking the day into managable bits. Why in the name of whichever deity gets invoked when people do something interesting yet entirely useless would anybody do this?
What's wrong with GMT then?
Shea the Sarcastic Posted Mar 16, 2001
The reason someone would do this is to get their name (i.e. Swatch) out there for some quick, corporate product placement! Free advertising, anyone?
'Excuse me, what time is it?'
'Why it's 03:23Swatch'
Unix Standard Time clarification
GeVmage Posted Mar 16, 2001
Just to clarify, Unix Standard Time (I don't know if that's the official name, but in any case, the number that's used to time stamp files and such) is the number of _seconds_ since January 1, 1970, GMT, not milliseconds. I think that by default it's a 32 bit number, so it rolls over in 203x (I don't remember the exact year).
There is a unit used in the Linux kernel used for short timing intervals, called jiffies, I think. They are 1/100th of a second.
Unix Standard Time clarification
Sho - employed again! Posted Mar 16, 2001
Now I give up. You're telling me that a Jiffy has an official length of time? This is the end of the world for all women.
Unix Standard Time clarification
gaga Posted Mar 16, 2001
seconds seconds seconds. Trying to remember next time.
Unix will rollover on Jan. 19, 2039 at 3:14:07 am.
Unix Standard Time clarification
dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC Posted Mar 16, 2001
As soon as we adopt Unix Standard Time, someone will start using Windows Standard Time (1980) and Macintosh Standard Time (2 Jan 1904, but maybe 1956 depending on the model).
Unix Standard Time clarification
Cefpret Posted Mar 16, 2001
The official name of Unix Standard Time? Well, I don't know how official it is, but it's called 'The Epoch'.
Unix Standard Time clarification
Cefpret Posted Mar 16, 2001
The official name of Unix Standard Time? Well, I don't know how official it is, but it's called 'The Epoch'.
Unix Standard Time rollover
xyroth Posted Mar 17, 2001
There will be no problem at all about the time rolling over in 2039, as by then the linux kernel will be using 64bit numbers for times and dates, and most unixes (exept bsd) will be running linux (as lots of unix manufacturers are).
Unix Standard Time clarification
David Arthur Posted Mar 17, 2001
Macintosh standard time is always returned as seconds since 1904. The 1956 is used internally by the system only. Incidentally, Macintosh time doesn't roll over until shortly before the 300th century.
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What's wrong with GMT then?
- 1: Sho - employed again! (Mar 15, 2001)
- 2: gaga (Mar 15, 2001)
- 3: Xanatic (Mar 15, 2001)
- 4: Shea the Sarcastic (Mar 15, 2001)
- 5: gaga (Mar 15, 2001)
- 6: Icarus (Mar 15, 2001)
- 7: Shea the Sarcastic (Mar 16, 2001)
- 8: GeVmage (Mar 16, 2001)
- 9: Sho - employed again! (Mar 16, 2001)
- 10: gaga (Mar 16, 2001)
- 11: dElaphant (and Zeppo his dog (and Gummo, Zeppos dog)) - Left my apostrophes at the BBC (Mar 16, 2001)
- 12: Cefpret (Mar 16, 2001)
- 13: Cefpret (Mar 16, 2001)
- 14: Shea the Sarcastic (Mar 16, 2001)
- 15: xyroth (Mar 17, 2001)
- 16: David Arthur (Mar 17, 2001)
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