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If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 321

The Artist Formerly Known as Nerd42

smiley - laugh that was the last thing I was thinking of, as lotsa people had seen the "offensive material" on my page before and believed it was real until I explained the joke.

See my page now 4 more funnies to do with this whole moderation scenario.


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 322

Ste

That's actually pretty funny. smiley - laugh

Not quite as funny as writing an unpleasant post about how homosexuality is deemed unacceptable in civilised society then having that post deemed unacceptable because it broke the rules of this civilised website. Mmmm, delicious buttery irony, running down my chin, mmm. Hahaha.

Which is more unacceptable in society: homosexuality or homophobia? I propose a little "is where I live a hell-hole or not? test" - determine which is acceptable of the two above choices and you know if you live in a God-forsaken backwards cr*p-hole where people live in fear, or a place where all cultures and types of people come together and are welcomed.

h2g2 is the latter. Where you live, Nerd, is the former. Sorry. Where *do* you live anyway, Kansas?, Oklahoma? If so you might have an excuse. If you live in a large city then you should be reported to the police.

Stesmiley - mod


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 323

HonestIago

>>Er, I'd say 'gay people have sex with each other'. Maybe I've been unfortunate in the gay people I've met, but it seems that, judging by them, gay people are uniformly fickle and promiscuous<< Just how many gay people have you met Della? Are any of them not stereotypes? Check out http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/F36454?thread=646313 for what some *real* gay and bi people think about the fact that "we're all promiscuous"


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 324

Alfster



What!!! They actually let gay and bi people post on this site!!!! What is the world coming to? BIGsmiley - winkeye

Potters over to thread.


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 325

HonestIago

I know, we've got our own secret little den. But soon we shall emerge and demoralise you all. Bwah hah hah.

*thinks* Maybe this is why I shouldn't be told the secret plans


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 326

Alfster

Resists making secret little closet joke...darn.


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 327

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

<< By that judgement a married heterosexual couple who were into swinging and who have had a long line of other boy/girlfriends would not love each other they would just be having sex.>>

Why on earth qwould any married couple who actually love each other 'be into swinging'?
I just don't see the point...


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Once again, why? Before it was legal, they mostly disdained it as a heterosexual institution that was beneath them!


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And you want me to be ashamed, is that it? Well, no. Because (a) you are accusing me of saying much more than I actually did say, and (b) the gay rights meme may have spread to prime time TV, and the Golden Globes, but surprise, not everyone accepts it - and not all, not even half of those who don't are Christians. I have a friend who is some species of Western Hindu (Sant Mat, I think) who outdoes me in what you'd call 'homophobia', she's even a single issue voter on the subject.




If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 328

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

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Wow, that was predictable, really, although I'd say hiding your space was an over-reaction! But there are some people it just isn't safe to cross, as *some are more powerful than the rest*, especially here on our beloved hootoo....


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 329

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

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Oh, come off it Ste! h2g2 used to be a lot more welcoming than it is - but now it's so dominated by people of certain - er, persasions, that well, cross them at your peril, as I've already found out...

All types of cultures and and types of people? Not a bit of it. I honestly believe that hootooers would be safer using the N word, than criticising gays, atheists, abortion or 'swinging' and the like! As Hoo has proven, it's quite safe to slag off women to your heart's content (as he often does) so anyone who says it's 'political correctness' will, besides making me smiley - ill be wrong...

As one who is fully on the side of *this type of censorship* you may be totally unable to see it, but it's there...


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 330

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

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Not so little is it, really, though...

It may surprise you, but I've been there a number of times, starting back in 2001, when I had first joined up.


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 331

Ste

Della, what do you want gay people to do? Just shut up and go away? Why shouldn't they have equal rights to the rest of us? Can't you see the parallels to other civil rights movements?


"Oh, come off it Ste! h2g2 used to be a lot more welcoming than it is - but now it's so dominated by people of certain - er, persasions, that well, cross them at your peril, as I've already found out..."

My main point was of cities vs. isolated provincial towns. But h2g2 is a diverse place no matter what you think (the main weighting is towards English-speakers though). I really can't believe you're claiming some kind of gay conspiracy is taking place here so I'm going to ignore it.


"As one who is fully on the side of *this type of censorship* you may be totally unable to see it, but it's there..."

Of course it's censorship, and of course I know it's there. *I* agreed to behave in a certain, civilised way when I agreed to become part of this site. If you cannot behave in a dignified manner then you get censored - that's the deal and I know that's the deal. So should you by now. Complaining of persecution **at the same time** you are dehumanising and smearing gay people is a really good way to highlight your unpleasant prejudices.

Stesmiley - mod


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 332

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

Ah, Ste, thanks for so amply proving my points! (Especially with your stated refusal to ignore what you don't like!)

It's a meme, not a civil rights movement. Gays who shut the hell up about what they do in bed, and just get on with it, without feeling the need to tell every gory detail, get on just fine. If you're going to say that heterosexuals talk about their sex lives all the time, then I've just got to ask what kind of people you mix with!

Some extremists have been known to claim that a woman saying she's married constitutes homophobic censorship, because a gay man can't say 'I am living with a man in the nature of marriage'. Of course he can! He just should not (a) talking about it ad nauseam, and (b) expect everyone to like it.

Being discreet about your sex life, is manners, not 'passing' and so any attempt to equate not telling the whole world about what you and your latest boyfriend got up to between the sheets with being forced to pass as white in order to escape a lynching, is just illegitimate. (Because as sure as little apples, someone will come along and try to say there're the same thing.They have before)


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 333

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

Ah, more haste less speed, as my old Mum used to say! I wish there were two features here, an edit button for posts, and multiquote... But that's beside the point.

"(Especially with your stated refusal to ignore what you don't like!)" should of course be 'your stated intention to ignore'...


"He just should not (a)talking about it ad nauseam" should be 'He just not talk about it ad nauseam'...


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 334

Ste

"Especially with your stated refusal to ignore what you don't like!"

For example, please?


"It's a meme, not a civil rights movement. Gays who shut the hell up about what they do in bed, and just get on with it, without feeling the need to tell every gory detail, get on just fine."

Your insistance that gay people just want to f*ck each other and that's it, is what I mean when I say you are dehumanising them. They are able to LOVE each other. Your resistance to this idea is because of your prejudices towards gay people.

Why do you think they are incapable of love? It's bizarre.

To deny someone rights based upon what they are is wrong.


"Being discreet about your sex life, is manners, not 'passing' and so any attempt to equate not telling the whole world about what you and your latest boyfriend got up to between the sheets with being forced to pass as white in order to escape a lynching, is just illegitimate."

Passing? White? Lynching? smiley - huh I really, honestly do not know what you are talking about here. Can you rephrase it for me?


Stesmiley - mod


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 335

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

<<"Especially with your stated refusal to ignore what you don't like!"

For example, please?>>
Here's your example..
<< I really can't believe you're claiming some kind of gay conspiracy is taking place here so I'm going to ignore it.>>

<<"Being discreet about your sex life, is manners, not 'passing' and so any attempt to equate not telling the whole world about what you and your latest boyfriend got up to between the sheets with being forced to pass as white in order to escape a lynching, is just illegitimate."

Passing? White? Lynching? I really, honestly do not know what you are talking about here. Can you rephrase it for me?>>

It's simple. The last time I attempted to make this argument, that if the 'love that dare not speak its name' would just shut up about it, there wouldn't be all this discrimination, someone, I don't remember who, said that what I advocated - which he took to be going back into the closet, was equivalent to Nichelle Nichols' father passing as white in the American South in the 1920s. But it isn't at all.
I might have bizarre sexual practices, (I don't but bear with me.) However, if I don't insist on telling everyone, I can live life as normal.

I don't hate gay people. I have met many, and been friends with some. Of all of them, the only faithful monogamous people I have ever known, were a lesbian couple one of whom was studying at the same tertiary institution as me in 2003. Even so, she couldn't resist announcing to everyone she met 'I'm a lesbian', and talking about her 'partner' much more than the married women ever mentioned their husbands. (Maybe it's because they were women, but she didn't mention sex more than once...)

I don't hate gay people, or dislike all gays as a group.

I find what they *do* and that they talk about it endlessly, many of them putting the emphasis on f*cking simply in order to offend (admit it, they do!) repellent. They don't seem to realise that they bring down on their heads the very opprobrium they claim to hate - or maybe some of them do, and want to show how oppressed they are, in order to further the gay rights meme!


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 336

Ste

"Here's your example.. "
<< I really can't believe you're claiming some kind of gay conspiracy is taking place here so I'm going to ignore it.>>

Ah. That. So you really *do* think there's a gay conspiracy on this site? I see. I think you are wrong.

Talking of ignoring things...
- Why do you think gay folk are incapable of love?


I don't know who Nicelle Nichols is, so I'm going to do a quick google. That's Uhura! Hahahah! Cool. I still don't know about her father. People were once as shocked at Uhura kissing Capt. Kirk as you are at Will & Grace and Brokeback Mountain. People once though inter-racial marriage was wrong and unnatural. What would one call someone with those opinions?


You may not think you hate gay people but from the sounds of it you really don't like them very much at all. You seem to find the whole idea very distasteful indeed. In fact, it *seems* like this general distaste is driving your prejudices. The "yuk factor" is never a good way of making desicions. This same disgust of homosexuality is what makes people beat other people to death. You do realise that don't you?

My-my, you *do* share a lot of traits with the extreme right-wing don't you?

I am good friends with numerous gay/bisexual/lesbian people (it's weird to even think of them with a label like that because they are just themselves) and they are just people. Most of them are in long-term, stable monogamous relationships. Who *are* you hanging out with?

Stesmiley - mod


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 337

Rudest Elf




And not too many with Christianity, it seems. No sign of tolerance, compassion, understanding......


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 338

Alfster

<< By that judgement a married heterosexual couple who were into swinging and who have had a long line of other boy/girlfriends would not love each other they would just be having sex.>>

Why on earth qwould any married couple who actually love each other 'be into swinging'?
I just don't see the point... >

You really are quite niaive and backs up the fact that you understand little about human interactions. A married couple who enjoy sex and sex in general and have the utmost trust and firmness of their love for each otehr will have no problem in having sex with other people to enjoy sex and also that physical contact with others and indeed forging closer feelings with others rather than being distant from people. For society in general that would be a good thing: people getting on better and trusting each otehr more and to that extent.


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 339

Alfster



It is also an interesting factet that some gay people find the thought of heterosexual sex, if not disgucting, then certainly with a major sick in the stomach 'yuk factor'. But they are not saying that heterosexuals should not be making the beast-with-two-backs just because they find it yukky.

Oh, and Della, your argument that gay people go on and on and on about sex and hetro's do not, once again, does not add up. If you have read the thead discussing 'sex-mad gays' you will see that some do and some do not put it about in just the same way as hetros do. Some will go on about it and some won't in just the same way as 'normal' people will and wont'


If you are an atheist in life, and when you die god turns out to be real, would you go to hell?

Post 340

The Artist Formerly Known as Nerd42

smiley - laugh LOL @ intolerance of intolerance.

look folks it's been nice talking to you all but at this point I think I am going to unsubscribe from this thread which I think would be in everyone's best interests. l83rz!


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