h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

It the Quran it says truth stands out from lies.

Adib

i think the Bible mentions it once or twice too.

Lies don't exactly (if you want to use personification) stand out more as sort of creeping around in the shadows surrounding truth. The truth can be a lie and a lie can be the truth. When I say truth I mean the "truth" I refferred to earlier and not The Truth.

I really have not experienced terrorism first hand, although i am an American, I was not affected by 9/11. I am sorry for those in countrie where terrorism reigns, but as i am sheltered and virgin to the experience, I don't quite understand the point of terrorism. Yes to make a point, i understand that, but why, why put yourself and others in harms way just to say, I DONT LIKE YOU! As you can probably tell i am not really that open, i guess, to the fact that people dont care. Dont care about what they do. It does bother me, but I have no fear of it yet. So I can not share your sorrow for those who have lived forever in hate. All i can say is If your at the bottom, you can only go up, eventually that will happen

Hey, Earthman, is there some reason huge gobs of your population seem intent on obliterating other huge gobs of your population?

Is this your way of passing time waiting for an interstellar war?

Oh, you haven't gotten into one of those yet. Well, suffice to say, that should put things into perspective rather quickly...

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The same happened in Afganistan. They killed thousands of civilians and not much else. Worst thing is they don't seem that in tent on getting Osama anymore.

Adib

It really is a shame. It seems that once George Bush says a job is done, it is. They're more like locusts than heroes.

AmericanNamedBob - I have lived in the states for quite a time, and your condensending tone achieves positively nothing. While I do believe that the Pax Americana could aventually be acheived, it is not because of the merits of the American system, but maybe, just maybe, in De-Tokevuile's tone, despite them. From my experience in the states, it is not only that Americans are surrounded by just about the most pumpering, most worldly manipiulative politics-economics, but they also pride themselves for it. The humane cause that is constantly being a beacon for American rhetorics have long since ciesed to convince. It is a politic-economics system that works entirely on a self-gratyfing basis.
While Americans all over compliment themselves for their generous efforts world-wide, it must be rememberd that the same American efforts are propelled by masive world exploitation and not entirely due to the "hard working American". Am I being resentful? hell yes. As I said I have lived in the states for a long period and I apreciate the sound principles on which it was founded. However,nowdays American foreign policy is mainly propelled by the factor of self-interest. It is high time for American citizens to understand the the "saintly efforts" that the U.S.A. have been showing, have not bridged the humangous gap that is streched between third world citizens and themselves not one inch closer. How can you be so proud of the society you live in when it is a pumperd, self-righteous, condensending, not to mention egocentric, people, who despite their world-wide efforts, still enjoy a hallucinatiry peace paid for by the death and slavery of people all over the world? How can you praise the rich for his "generous donation"?

Now while this post has been very harsh I do not intend it to end in the same tone. I love the states and I love its people. Moreover I do not think that there is "evil" lurking behind the curtains. As always, many a person try to be good and honest and yet fail to notice how much off the course their efforts are aimed. It is only one thing that I can not stand - self-rightousness. The American nation can not, and must not, pride itself for its govrenments efforts world-wide while it is clearly enjoying from the pain and suffer of so many, pain and suffer which quite clearly enable the states to be so "generous".Check out the Gospel AmericanBob, look closely into the Sermon on the Mount - praise yourself not for your sacrifice while it is preformed of an a weeping altar.

And now an answer to Adib - Adib my brother, I have no love in me for Israeli policy. I have no love for the Israeli policy not because it is "evil" and not because it is "they who started it". I have no love for Israeli policy because it fails to encompass the truer meaning of guilt and history, of one mans responsebility for his own actions and not for the actions of others. I am neither christian nor muslim but my experience is that one must free himself from the burden of causing pain. Israel politicians mannage their affairs with the everlasting shadow of the Hollocaust lurking behind them. Their interpretation of history focuses on the notion of "Never again - never again shall jews be massacerred without confronting their killers." The palestinians on the other hand have their share of self-jusyfying myths. Is anyone evil? not as I see it. Is anyone stupid? not as I see it. The only people at fault are those who encourage the battling sides and aid them in strengthening their own myths of reality - and that is you Adib. That is you Adib my brother. Personal tragedy, as those you so prufusely describe are just the peak of violence entrenched deeply on the level of ideology. Ideology kills not less than guns and bombs. Have you made your efforts Adib? Have you tried to bring peace, or is it, yet again, "them that started it"?

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Perhaps Earthlings in Israel should say
"Dont worry too much" where I state "Dont be afraid"

(To say then again for the Earthlings on the other side of the fence "Dont worry too much")

Ok as my first one was removed lets say again,

I do not care who started it (If you really want to know it was the British goverment many years ago, get your history book out). I do not condone the Israelie military and goverment for what they are doing and I do not condone the Muslims who blow them selfes up.

Go to go I will write more soon.

Adib

As far as i can see there are two types of terrorism. There is the terrorism of the oppressor and the terrorism of the oppressed. Take the land of Palestine for instance. Once upon a time it was a predominately Arab land, settled by a hand full of Jews. For a while the Jews and the Arabs got along fine. They worked the land side by side. Over the years more Jews settled in Palestine. At some point, right wing political jews, known as Zionists decided that the Jews needed a homeland. So they stole one by force. They killed Arabs in their tens of thousands and forced the Palestinians out of Palestine. They called this new land Israel. A land where Arab men and children have been routinely murdered and tortured for years. A land where the armed forces and secret services have used the rape of arab women as a weapon. This is the terrorism of the Zionist state. This is the terrorism that palestibians have lived with for many years before the suicide bombers.

Don't get me wrong. I don't for one minute believe the terrorism of islamic fundamentists is a legitamate reaction to the Israely occupation of Palestine. Just as i don't believe a legitamete reaction to the oppression of jews is to herd people into camps, deprive them of their human rights and take away their land. Oh, i remember Israel alright. How can anyone forget the terror and brutallity brought to bare on this earth by such a small nation. You should be ashamed.

Salaam,

nicely put I think. Though you missed out of a few key points:

-The Isealies distroyed and renamed all citys they took over to try and get rid of existence that it was palestinian lands.

-Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in peace side by side for hundreds of years in and around jerusalum and the only blood shed that happened there was when the British took over. (remember the crusades)

thats a few key things but theres plenty more.

anyway do you live in england if so are you coming on the demo on the 27th of this month in london.

Adib

Salaam,

nicely put I think. Though you missed out of a few key points:

-The Isealies distroyed and renamed all citys they took over to try and get rid of existence that it was palestinian lands.

-Christians, Jews and Muslims lived in peace side by side for hundreds of years in and around jerusalum and the only blood shed that happened there was when the British took over. (remember the crusades)

thats a few key things but theres plenty more.

anyway do you live in england if so are you coming on the demo on the 27th of this month in london.

Adib

Yeah, i live in England and hopefully i'll be on the Demo. Thanks for those points. I am aware of the history of Israel but i sort of wrote the reply in an angry rush. Can you suggest any good reading material/websites on the Palestinian question?

Jagged Jack. Your postings are just about the least informed that I have ever seen. Speaking about the first zionists as 'rightists' is, of course, a conceptual absurdity - How could they have been sociailists without a country and 'rightists' at the same time? more over,the entire deport, humiliation, RAPE, just where the hell do you get your information?? are you gonna listen to Adib who stands up for the Islamic terror as 'legitimate freedom fighting'? this is not legitimate freedom fighting - this is just teenage energies gone horribly wrong. These are the ravings of teenage schoolboys who are unashamed of showing their utter ignorance without knowing that the opinions they express were put in their mouths by fundemental religious leaders, leaders who without a blink of an eye would take away all the humane causes they so gallantly express.

Jack, if you want to be invoved in a serious political discussion, just take a book, read a newspaper, just do something, so youd have the most basic CLUE about the issue disscused. Before that, well before that, you are just a harmful, ignorant, toy in the hands of more knowledgable people who will use you in the most cynic possible ways.

Having said that I just want to say that I think the Israeli occupation is immoral and harmful in the highest degree and that it should be stopped immediately, without any preconditions and with the complete evacuation of all the Israeli settlements. Good Bye.

Jagged Jack. Your postings are just about the least informed that I have ever seen. Speaking about the first zionists as 'rightists' is, of course, a conceptual absurdity - How could they have been sociailists without a country and 'rightists' at the same time? more over,the entire deport, humiliation, RAPE, just where the hell do you get your information?? Israel, by the way, got a mandate for the establsiment of the Jewish country by th UN in 1948 - a Mndate that was not recognized by the Arab countries. Are you gonna listen to Adib who stands up for the Islamic terror as 'legitimate freedom fighting'? this is not legitimate freedom fighting - this is just teenage energies gone horribly wrong. These are the ravings of teenage schoolboys who are unashamed of showing their utter ignorance without knowing that the opinions they express were put in their mouths by fundemental religious leaders, leaders who without a blink of an eye would take away all the humane causes they so gallantly express.

Jack, if you want to be invoved in a serious political discussion, just take a book, read a newspaper, just do something, so youd have the most basic CLUE about the issue disscused. Before that, well before that, you are just a harmful, ignorant, toy in the hands of more knowledgable people who will use you in the most cynic possible ways.

Having said that I just want to say that I think the Israeli occupation is immoral and harmful in the highest degree and that it should be stopped immediately, without any preconditions and with the complete evacuation of all the Israeli settlements. Good Bye.

I would also like to add that Im working in an anti-occupation organization in Israel, and we interview Palestinans daily without the intervention of the army. There are all sorts of immoral things the Israeli army does, beyond of course, the occupation itself. Rape is probobaly not one of them. It seems that beyond the political situation, the Israeli army is probobaly one of the most moral armies. This fact of course means very little as the occupation of another nation itself corrupts. Reading anti-Israeli views from people like Jack just makes me so mad because they make our point so much weaker. It is amazing how the grave discussion could be turned into a big childish 'I HATE YOU' by people like Jack.

On a previous posting I said that I beleive nobody is stupid. I take my words back.