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It's not a question of a battle, elf, but House Style. I prefer 'recognize' but the Eds have decided that we must use '-ise' for all such words.

Entry: Pizza in America and Beyond - A14660525

Thanks everyone!
I changed the nation-wides and world-wides to nationwides and worldwides.

I left "hard pressed" as it is; after reviewing the <./>SubEditors-Style</.> guildelines I think this is right. I'm happy for a Sub-ed to correct me, though.

six- or eight-inch is proper usage, as is three- to six-year-olds. I don't like 6" or 8" because I don't know if the " symbol is universal, but I suspect that it isn't since inches aren't metric.

Amended 'Pre-made crusts' sentence - "Pre-made crusts are easy to find as well but quality varies; you may decide you're better off to start from scratch." The whole paragraph is about making your own pizza at home, this sentence is specifically about buying or making your own crust.

Yes, it should be Indian water buffalo *milk*

Suggested phrases tinkered with.

I've also just realised I haven't put any links in yet . I'll just go do that now, shall I?

This is probably one of the most linkable entries I've ever written! There are even more in the references on the sidebar that aren't showing yet. (They don't show until it's edited, right? Or have I done something wrong?)

I also added a little paragraph in with the crust section about hand shaping crust. Does it read okay?

The only things that don't show in the side bar until the entry is edited are the author credits. All the rest shoudl be there. If not, you've done something wrong.

We're making progress on the changes to the Update Forum, by the way. Something should be announced soon.

>>I also added a little paragraph in with the crust section about hand shaping crust. Does it read okay?<<

It does to me

Looking good!

Final thoughts...probably:

with a flair for the dramatic, one can (dramatic; one can)?

Pizza Hut would like for us [would like us (UK usage)]

Specialty pizzas might [Speciality (UK spelling/pronunciation)]

Just top the crust with fruit jam (isn't all jam made with fruit?)

opposite order of pizza: [opposite order to pizza:]

Little Caesar's pizzerias delivered (Little Caesar's Pizzerias)?



Wishing you a speedy delivery!

Thanks guys!

Gnomon, is that discussion going on anywhere on site, or is it in the Curators' group? Just curious.


Other issues:

>>with a flair for the dramatic, one can (dramatic; one can)?<< done.

>>Pizza Hut would like for us [would like us (UK usage)]<< done, and I changed "Pizza Hut" to "certain pizza outlets" since I've already mentioned Pizza Hut elsewhere in the entry. Wouldn't want it to look slanted - especially since their pizza is so crap.

>>Specialty pizzas might [Speciality (UK spelling/pronunciation)]<< done.

>>Just top the crust with fruit jam (isn't all jam made with fruit?)<< I don't know? How about fruit spread?

>>opposite order of pizza: [opposite order to pizza:]<< done.

>>Little Caesar's pizzerias delivered (Little Caesar's Pizzerias)?<< I don't think so, because 'pizzeria' isn't part of their name.


And I found my referenced entries - since they're all guide entries they were tucked into the list with the rest of the links and I didn't see them at first.

Hi Milos!

"How about fruit spread?" How about just 'jam'?

"I don't think so, because 'pizzeria' isn't part of their name." I'm sure you're right (although the correct form seems to be "Little Caesars" or "Little Caesars' pizzerias").

Okay, how about "The 13,386 pizzas were delivered by Little Caesar's Pizza locations nationwide."

'Little Caesar's Pizza' is the full title of the business.

<"The 13,386 pizzas were delivered by Little Caesar's Pizza locations nationwide."> Good idea! (The internet confused me.)

Thank you for your patience & best of luck with the Entry.

Sorry about the late feedback here!

This really should be an update. It's a fab Entry with loads of info about the pizza in general. As an update to the 'Pizza' Entry, some of the text (the intro, for example) should be altered so it's a bit less US-centric.

However, if it was to stand alongside the old Entry, unchanged, the best title for it would be 'Pizza in the US.' Although the Entry itself offers more info, '...in America and Beyond' really requires that more info about pizza around the world is included. Though I enjoy a Great British Curry as much as the next person , pizza is widely accepted as an Italian creation.

America --> US

I think it should be a separate entry with a title change.

Well, it's up to Milos what she wants to do.

Well, I have to say I'm disappointed on a couple of different levels.

I'm disappointed that the discussion about how to handle these updates didn't take place somewhere that the community could participate. As a result of that discussion I now know that the editors think this should be an "update", but I don't know what this means for future updates of early, unacceptable entries. I have lots of questions about this that don't belong here, and since the decision has been reached 'behind closed doors' I guess maybe we'll never know.

I'm disappointed that any author who spends multiple times more effort on an update (total re-write) won't receive the same recognition as the original author did for the ten-minutes put forth to type up the original entry.

I'm disappointed that updates of this magnitude processed through the Update Forum won't receive the same critical review that any other new entry will receive.

I'm mostly disappointed because this entry, as it stands, isn't ready to go in an 'either - or' direction. It contains too much international information to be relegated to a title reflecting that it only concerns pizza in the US. To re-title this I would need to go back through and remove the international references, leaving the other entry as the 'definitive', which is insulting.

To vamp this up, on the other hand, will require a lot more work for which I will ultimately receive no credit, nor will anyone else who contributes.

I honestly don't know what to do with it.

Do you really need to change the content if you re-title it? The editors said they would accept it unchanged.

But the current entry isn't about 'Pizza in the US'. Nearly half of it is about England and Italy and other places.

The editors might think it's acceptable, but if I were setting out to write an entry about 'Pizza in the US' I would have written something different.

The discussions that took place off-site were not about this entry. They were about the Update process in general. The editors wanted to know how much work we curators were prepared to do in the Update Process, and we've nearly ironed out the details. In return, the Editors are willing to offer front page billing to updates, so that they will get the same credit as an entry that goes through Peer Review. I'm sure they'll announce something soon. I was hoping that it would all be sorted before this Entry was ready to be picked.

The comment from the Eds that this is an update was made by the Eds alone and was not discussed anywhere except in this conversation. So nobody is doing things behind your back, other than the Eds making their own decisions as they always do.

Actually, most of my rants up there were about the Update process in general, and not about this entry in particular. It just happens that for me, this entry is the one that will be effected by how the update process is handled. The eds response above gave me no reason to suspect that this was destined for anything but a week of relative obscurity in the sidebar of the front page.

I'm still working out what I want to do with this.

This is why I raised this point with the Eds in the first place, Milos. To me, this is obviously good enough to be THE entry on Pizza. It would be a pity to leave the existing one as the definitive one, and see your excellent effort sidelined into a subcategory.

But making yours the definitive Entry would rob you of the credit of a Front Page banner.

So I raised it with the Eds and they are amenable to a change to the Update system. But it's not official yet, since they haven't announced it. Nor have they changed the Update Forum page to indicate that anything has changed.