h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I'm responding to post 299, by you, Tango, the one in which you loftily note that a poor workman blames his tools.

What do you know about our tools? I bet you've been told that all our tools are bugridden and that the only real solution is to write one's own graphics app. But then, which is correct? Are our tools buggy or are we bad artisans?

I don't think you really understand the issues you're talking about because you don't own the apps and you can't draw, self-admittedly. All you know is what you've been told. And at first I was able to understand your decision to go find out what was the case, whether what you had been told was true, but now I truly believe you were put up to it.

That was a strange thing you said about the CA's, though. What put it in your head to equate "being about people" to "boosting self-importance of its members?" You really do have a hostile attitude to the CA's! You denigrate us on hearsay, attempt to masquerade your way into the CA list... After you looted the messages you thought were there, what were you going to do? Volunteer to help out with the workload? Assist with critique? Or was your eminence grise going to do that?

And then you wonder why we're so interested to know who did the graphics for Atled.

The open thing to do would have been to tell us what you had heard or believed at the outset. Because of the way you have handled yourself, we are more and more convinced that you are covering other researchers' butts. And perhaps there is something in what Mina says, that you're enjoying the attention.

Just returning to this change of rules thing. The CAs have an interpretation of the rules with which we're all happy. Our work is, barring accidents, always within the rules as they currently stand. That is, they're within the rules as read by someone who knows about digital art, someone who doesn't think that 'black' means #000000 or that a one-pixel wide line is only one dot wide.

If , for example, you rewrote the rules to say that outlines must be between 1 and 3 pixels wide to reflect what you think is the reality, you'd actually be changing the rules because a 3 pixel line in a graphics app is 5, 7 or even 9 pixels wide and the artwork would be less consistent than it is now.

Tango, you just don't know enough about how graphics packages work. I can draw a line that is 0.8 pixels wide or 2.1 pixels wide. Can you figure out what those values mean?

Rewriting the rules won't change what we do at all. It won't benefit us or h2g2. It would make some unnecessary work for an Italic but mostly, let's face it, it would really be for the benefit of a small group of pedants.

The Atled account was not a group account, however some friends of mine did "babysit" the account while i was on holiday. I neglected to change the password when i got back.

I have said repeatedly that i do not want the rules changed to be specifically vague. That is almost a contradiction in terms. 1-3 is no less precise than 1. It just gives a range, the level of accruacy is still the same. What i suggest is giving artists a level of interpretation of the rules (which is what seems to happen already, so why not make it official?), so the rules would not give actual values, but vague terms like a "thin dark border" in place of a "1 pixel wide black border". I don't see how that would make anyone a lot of work. Someone would have to read through and alter the specs, but that wouldn't take much more than 10 minutes.

Tango

The fact is folks that some tools are well, just crap!
That's what the free market is for: to rout out the crap!

No Tango, "a thin dark border" would permit things that are not permitted at the moment. I one-pixel border has a meaning in a graphics package - it just doesn't mean what you thought it meant.

A one-pixel border means a setting of 1.0 in a dialogue box. Not a setting of 0.9 or one of 1.1

Please stop this attempt to rewrite our rules for your benefit. You are not qualified.

an arguement is a type of competition.



People who critisise perfectionists are usually people who are not capable of getting something right, so try to make those that are, or those that expect people to be, look bad.


Well, that explains a lot regarding Tango's attitude in debates and discussions...

Hello all,

As this application was not a genuine offer to provide art, but merely an attempt to break into the Community Artists, this thread will be moved to the personal space of 'Atled'.

Despite the 'underhand activity' and subsequent aggressive postings here, we've followed the thread with interest and have taken on-board some of the comments made. Hopefully we'll be able to report back on these after today's downtime.

regards,

Jimster
(on behalf of the h2g2 team)

Editorial Note: This conversation has been moved from 'Volunteer to be a Community Artist' to 'All about me!'.

Thanks!

This corporation needs people like you Jimster.
Ever thought about controling BBC1?

Jimster in control of BBC1... could be fun. :D

Tango

If this post doesn't appear can someone give me a shout (or alert the h22g Editors if you prefer)? I'd like to make sure that it hasn't got lost somewhere while the Moderators are migrating their accounts. Thanks!

Oh that's great, it appeared.

What a throughly depressing tale of deceit and mistrust. There are *far* more productive things which Tango and his artist friend could have done to contribute _here_.

And some people have only really been trolling.

Yours disgustedly, Roger.

Sorry Roger I don't get your drift, could you explain further please?

Thank goodness this is hopefully over. Let's all just get back to writing those entries.

spelugx

Good point... i've still got that salt entry to do... (i removed it from PR to stop people reminding me about it continuously, and now i seem to be doing a very good job of forgetting it)

Tango

Tango, have you read Mark Kurlansky's "Salt: A World History"? An excellent book, even if he's not a historian, and doesn't have footnotes. His "Cod" is also quite good.

I gave "Salt" to my dad for his birthday last year. Everyone laughed at me.