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You sad sad little people.

Sorry, I'm not sure I get this...

Us, the people who are laughing, are sad, whereas you, the person fuming and threatening violence, are presumably happy?

Things really do work upside down in NZ, huh? I always thought that was a metaphor...

I think you should read this before you continue this valiant, but misguided defense of your mothers position. Obviously you love her, but why not check the facts first?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brune...67627?thread=353643&skip=60&show=20 post65
ADELE
BB, I am sorry to be responding to your babyish provocation, but I am not a Tory, Libertarian or conservative at all.
Neither am I one of 'yours'... a trendy teen wigger boy, who'd love everyone to be a homophilic abortionist!


ME
Adele, please forgive mine and Members lighthearted banter about your political alligances.

To reinforce my apology I will share some knowledge with you.

Its not good to use the word "wigger" because:
Its an American generated phrase that comes by putting the words "white" and "n****r" together it is very derogatory and by its very nature racist. If you go round using it you might end up with a reputation as racist and in RL possibly a fat lip or worse.

Its not good to use the word "wigger" because:
It shows your age love modern forward thinking people use the phrase "ethnically ambiguous" it is much more pleasant and can be used in more than the narrow and negative way people use "wigger". David Beckham, Jennifer Lopez, Lenny Kravitz, David Blaine, Norah Jones are all regarded and HAPPY to be refered to as (EA) ethnically ambiguous.

Its not good to use the word "wigger" about ME because:
I have naturally curly black hair, full lips, broad nostrils, my skin is brown all year round, I have long limbs and broad shoulders. Calling me a "wigger" makes you look silly. So try to avoid it as you already have many other ways of undermining your claims to intelligence.

did you never wonder why I always use this smiley?



I thought I was being nice given the circumstnces but as you will see if you read on in that thread all I got was another caustic reply.

David Beckham????

There was a documentary called "Black like Beckham" about how his popularity has crossed "race" divides due to his eclectic choices in his lifestyle. He is an example of how incresingly in Britain people are not choosing their friends and lifestyles based strictly on what older generations might perceive as "their" culture and ethnic origins.

Thanks Blicky.

"Its not good to use the word "wigger" because:
Its an American generated phrase that comes by putting the words "white" and "n****r" together it is very derogatory and by its very nature racist. If you go round using it you might end up with a reputation as racist and in RL possibly a fat lip or worse."

Some might take that as a veiled threat.

"Its an American generated phrase" - a number of people here have their own backlash against american language and culture. Mostly by ignoring it. Despite what people may tell you it has for a large part worked.

There is a movement to reject the assimilation of forign culture and keep to what we precieve to be our own (in a nation of immigrants). I work with a S african who remarked on how different it was because the adult population here mostly has no real concept of identifying people by skin colour.

It's very easy to accuse other's of ignorance when you expect everyone you talk to to be in sync with your language. Despite what many have said, this is not little england or little america.

Thats why I was warning and explaining to your mother you stupid boy!

But your mother like you was completely incapable of understanding that.

As for rejecting American culture your mother is quite free with other phrases of US origin and even talks about a US band on one of her personal spaces. (1)She claims to know a lot about the world (2)then claims ignorance when challenged about some of her language.

My money is on (2) being true.

"Some might take that as a veiled threat."

You are correct. Paranoid morons might take it as a veiled threat.

Adults with IQs up into three digits might see it as well-meant and serious advice.

No prizes for guessing which category you appear to fall into...

Oh for f##&s sake! What is wrong with you people? Can anyone actually remember how this stupidity got started?

Della/Adele has not done or said anything wrong, neither has anyone connected with her.

Clearly you morons just want to vent your vitriol at someone. Take it somewhere else please!

"Della/Adele has not done or said anything wrong"

Apart from using a term of racial abuse to insult someone.

And lying.

But other than that, you're right, all she's done is appear stupid and naive, and there's no law against that.

And since the person she aimed her racial abuse at has agreed to drop it, so should you. Dropping it, however, should not extend to pretending it didn't happen, don't you think?

How many times does this have to be said??? Read this carefully, now.

Della/Adele used that term without knowing what the connotations of it were or what it meant. She had no intention of insulting anyone and she did not use the term in an abusive way. If she is guilty of anything, it's carelessness that's all.

And she didn't lie about anything.

Sorry you are arguing from a disadvatage their ES. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/F79789?thread=371009 Post4 I admit that on the God thread I did talk as if Adele was a separate person. I had created 'her' because of server problems, that was 5 or so months later, and whereas initially, keeping them separate (to people who didn't already know) was a bit of fun, She did lie she's admitted it. She lied because she said that log-in was someone else "her sister", but it was infact Della so that anyway you look at it is a lie. She did intend to insult me, something Im well used to and something I dont take particular offence to, what I did out of kindness was tell her what the words she was using actually meant as I have explained time and again. OK yes I was glib about it but thats my style and I reserve the right to retain it. Likewise my stance on the subject has not changed, because it was right and I was being honest. Unlike someon I could mention. You know very well ES, I am willing to accept it when someone shows me to be wrong, but if a pair of prize know-it-alls go round saying Im wrong when they have already seen Im right I really wonder why anyone bothers to back them up and not tell them to wind their necks in and learn from it?

This needs to be said as many times as apologist revisionist liars like you try to pretend things didn't happen that did.

"Della/Adele used that term without knowing what the connotations of it were or what it meant."

Personally I find that unbelievable. I simply don't accept that a net-savvy adult in a Western democracy can be so detached from reality that they don't know what the word "wigger" means. As I've pointed out before, it's been in common usage to my knowledge for well over a decade, and featured in the lyrics of "Whatever you say I am" by Eminem, among many others. Hardly obscure ghetto culture, that's about as mainstream as it got last year.

I would go further and point out that if she didn't know what it meant, perhaps she shouldn't have used it. This continued plea of ignorance by her and on her behalf smacks of the appalling spectacle of Axl Rose of Guns'N'Roses trying to claim in 1991 that the song "Civil War" was not referring to black people when he sang the word "n****r". You, and Della, are not fooling anyone except possibly yourselves.

"She had no intention of insulting anyone and she did not use the term in an abusive way."

She most certainly did. The context makes it absolutely clear that her sole intention was to cause offence. No other interpretation is possible, and to suggest it is is simply lying flat out.

"If she is guilty of anything, it's carelessness that's all."

She is guilty of use of a term of racist abuse, and worse, failing to apologise properly but instead retreating behind pleas of ignorance. Normally if Della claimed to be ignorant I'd be the first to agree, but not in this case I'm afraid.

"And she didn't lie about anything."

Under her "Adele" persona, she quite clearly and unequivocally stated that she was leaving h2g2 because of what happened regarding her posting of a term of racist abuse.

She has not left. She therefore lied about that.

She pretended that "Della" and "Adele" were separate people. They are not. Another lie.

I could probably give you a much more extensive list if I could be bothered trawling back through her conversations - I'm not the only one who regards Della as completely untrustworthy and a fantasist who is quite prepared to concoct fictions to support her side in an argument.

She is a proven liar, and if you continue to pretend she isn't I'll provide the links to her lies. It's a waste of time, because we both know they're there. But hey, the weekend is coming. I may have some free time. And if I can use that time to make you look like an idiot and remind people what a rotten liar Della is simply by providing links, hey, I'm up for that.

Your call. Should I bother?

'I know nothing, and never claimed to know anything, about the circumstances of Adele's/Della's marriage.

'I merely observed that someone else - someone who claims to know her - referred to that marriage in the past tense. And pointed out that this did not surprise me.'

If you're going to make downright nasty, unnecessary and personal comments, the main purpose of which is to make an insinuation, trying to worm out of the insinuation isn't very convincing.

You are implying that there is something about Della which makes it unlikely that she could maintain her marriage. One might go further than this. Adele's word 'wigger' was evidently not meant as a racist remark. She didn't actually apologise (I think that was wrong of her, but you can't really blame her) but she did say that wasn't how she meant it. And then, when she said that she wasn't racist and had several mixed-race friends, you responded that this was a common remark of 'racists on the back foot'. (Honestly, what other remark could she have made to disagree?) From this, one might infer that you imagine her marriage broke up due to her racist tendencies.

I don't know if that is precisely what you were saying, but you have so far implied that (a) she is a racist, and (b) some personal factor of hers broke up her marriage to someone of Maori descent. Not a pretty picture here, probably not an accurate one and certainly not a necessary one to paint.

- Jordan

'I'm amused that violence has been offered by someone whose main nugget of knowledge about me is that I'm 12,000 miles away. Big man, mummy must be so proud.'

Well, I didn't know then you were in Britain, but I do now. Perhaps you pointed it out before. I'm guessing that you live in the West County? Nevertheless, it's irrelevent. I'd just like to comment - given what you've been saying about his mother, can you really blame him for wanting to cause you injury?

- Jordan

Thanks Jordan. You're absolutely right. That sums it up well.

"trying to worm out of the insinuation isn't very convincing."

I agree, which is why I didn't do it.

I was accused of saying something rather specific. I pointed out that I had said no such thing.

"You are implying that there is something about Della which makes it unlikely that she could maintain her marriage."

No - that is what you are inferring from my comment. All I've said is I'm not surprised she's not married any more.

"One might go further than this."

If one was out to get me, yes, one might.

"Adele's word 'wigger' was evidently not meant as a racist remark."

I dispute that.

"She didn't actually apologise (I think that was wrong of her, but you can't really blame her)"

I most certainly can and shall blame her. She EITHER used a racist epithet, in which case I can blame her, OR she used a racist epithet she didn't understand, in which case I can blame her. And as you rightly point out, despite the relatively light-hearted explanation of the term offered by the person she had abused, she STILL refused to apologise. Why couldn't you blame her? Who else would you blame?

"but she did say that wasn't how she meant it."

If I called you (for instance) a "filthy homo" and then tried to say I'd meant it affectionately, would you forgive me as easily? If I told you that where I live "homo" means "homeless person", and I claimed to be completely unaware of its use in insulting homosexuals, would that make it all right? Would you even believe me? Because that's the kind of dishonest rubbish we're talking about here.

"And then, when she said that she wasn't racist and had several mixed-race friends, you responded that this was a common remark of 'racists on the back foot'. (Honestly, what other remark could she have made to disagree?)"

She might have tried offering an apology, instead of pathetic excuses. She didn't bother, and indeed still hasn't as far as I'm aware. THAT might have helped. Who can tell? As it was, on being told she'd racially insulted someone, she went on the (more) offensive.

"From this, one might infer that you imagine her marriage broke up due to her racist tendencies."

You might infer that if you like. I've never implied any such thing. I've never connected her racism with her fitness as a life-partner. YOU may make that connection if you wish, but until you mentioned it, it hadn't occurred to me.

I'd only observed that in her dealings with me and with others on h2g2 where I've seen her post, I could sum her up in a few words. And before anyone claims I'm being gratuitously offensive, I'll back every single one of these things up with examples if required:
- irrational feminist
- anti-male
- naive
- bossy
- dishonest

If you describe someone like that to me, then tell me they're single, why is it in any way reprehensible to observe "I'm not surprised"?

Are YOU surprised?

"I don't know if that is precisely what you were saying,"

No, you don't, do you.

"but you have so far implied that (a) she is a racist,"

No, I have observed that she used a racist epithet to insult someone. That's all. No implication. Observation of recorded fact.

"and (b) some personal factor of hers broke up her marriage to someone of Maori descent."

Once again, no implication. I didn't mention anything about the descent of her ex-partner. Merely noted the fact that she was single, and that I was not surprised, given what I know of her. The implication that it's some "personal factor" of hers is there, I agree. But it's obvious, isn't it?

"Not a pretty picture here,"

I agree...

"probably not an accurate one"

Well, I'm only going on the facts I have.

"and certainly not a necessary one to paint."

Hey, I didn't start it.

'Now, that could be a typo for "sisters", implying another one of our persistent fantasist's alter egos that she has instead of friends or a life... 'Or as I prefer to think, it's a typo for "sitters", implying people paid to change her nappy and keep her away from sharp objects.' wraith expresses his emotions, and you scorn his maternal bond and loyalty. And then you post tripe like this! '...instead of friends or a life...' As if you'd know! And the last part is sickening. I mean that, it is utterly disgusting. You are CROSSING A LINE here. And blicky, I can't believe you even find that funny! Honestly, I thought you were a pretty decent person! Despite what she has done or said, she doesn't deserve this! Perhaps you would all like to look at a little conversation on my space: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/F79789?thread=371009 I don't think Della meant it to be private, and I think you should take note of the fact that she /doesn't/, in fact, think she should have said what she did. (Fourth posting.) You'll notice that I've said some things about both of you. Az is annoyed about what I said concerning her, and I hope it's because she thought I was saying them behind her back. That's not true, but in case this happens again, it would be worth checking it out. And she admits to giving the impression that Adele was someone else, so it's a moot point. - Jordan

"I'd just like to comment - given what you've been saying about his mother, can you really blame him for wanting to cause you injury?"

I can blame anyone for being so uncivilised and poorly brought up that they believe it is acceptable to threaten violence. Should I blame him, or his mother, do you think?