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Hi,im a christian.wanna chat?

Sorry, MinnieMouse - if only I'd met you sooner! I am going, because of what happened on the Alpha Course thread. If I come back, I'll look you up. Thanks.

"... what happened on the Alpha Course thread"

'what happened' being that Adele/Della was moderated for posting racist abuse. Just for your information.

ok,sorry 2 c u go adele.dont let people of different beliefs get u down.u r loved. The world may be round but its crooked just the same!

"Adele/Della was moderated for posting racist abuse."

Member, (whoever you are, hiding behind anonymity is nor clever. You should at least have a persona) to say Adele posted racial abuse is offensive and inaccurate.

I know adele well and she would never intentionally do anything like that. Adele is a white New Zealander who works with people of many different races. She was married to a NZ Maori and has other Maori people in her family. She is proud of all her family and friends.

If anything Adele said was construed as racist, it was unintentional and was only because of a lack of understanding, or agreement, of the meaning of different terms.

She has been driven away by people making rash and ignorant statements like yours.

thanx 4 sticking up for her.so much bitching here. She seemed nice!

Empty Sky:

Check your facts before you speak. You'll look less of an idiot that way (is this something specifically New Zealand or something? Empty Sky? Empty Head, more like...)

OK, in order:

1. "hiding behind anonymity is nor clever" - assuming you meant "not clever", can I therefore take it that the name on YOUR passport is "Empty Sky"?

I do have a persona, thank you. I choose not to share personal information with morons like you, and if it's not obvious why then I can't help you.

2. To say Adele posted racial abuse is accurate. I shall not repeat the word she used, but in any case her offensive posting has now been hidden. If you find the reporting of her doing this offensive, tough.

Your pathetic attempts to explain and excuse her behaviour do neither you nor her any credit.

"Adele is a white New Zealander who works with people of many different races"

It's always sickening to me the way racists trot out the same tired lines in their defence - 'but some of my best friends are black/Jews/whatever'. I was suprised Adele didn't use this excuse, but now you've used it for her. Well done.

" She was married to a NZ Maori"

I note the past tense with interest and no surprise at all.

3. As for "rash and ignorant statements": She has most definitely NOT been "driven away", as you put it. She has merely decided to come clean about the fact that she was hiding behind and alternative persona. F1600773?thread=365966&latest=1

You were presumably either ignorant of this, or complicit in the deception. I don't really care which. You're almost as contemptible as she is either way.

Thank you.

Hi Empty, got some genuine questions for you.

Who drove Adele "away"? She is still here that person simply does not operate from two log ons any more and she is still dragging the whole business out.

Have you read my response to being called "wigger" by Della Adele? Did I not try to explain to her that it was not a good phrase to use? Furthermore it was not me that yiksed her.

What do YOU know about Della, have you met her or does all your knowledge of her come from what she has posted on this site? I am not trying to get you to disclose anything about her, but she has lied and contradicted her self time and again over this issue. When she caould have easily said sorry.

What she should have said sorry for was insulting me with a word that combines white and n*****r. "wigger" an american born phrase for white people who racists think are too friendly with black people or close to, as they see it, inferior black culture. Della still up until a few hours ago insists that it means something else in NZ and refuses to acknowledge anyother definition of the word. Despite the fact that she claims to know about world wide culture and the Mods expunged it from the thread.

Can you tell me what the NZ use of the word is?

Just thought Id bump this up the conversatiolist in the hope you might notice and furnish me with an answer. I dont want to raise the subject with Della because we have agreed to leave the subject, but I would be facinated if you could enlighten me on the last oint especially.

"if you could enlighten me on the last point especially."

Please, before one of us dies, get it into your thick skulls that:

1) The word is not in common usage ANYWHERE. It is not a good word and it is not a bad word either is is virtually NON-EXISTENT.

2) THAT is the reason for all the confusion here. Some idiot heard a word that no-one has ever heard before that happens to rhyme with an offensive word and conclusions were leapt to.

3) A bloody great huge mountain has been built out of a non-existent molehill.

4) Nobody, Adele included, ever intended to be racist.

5) Adele is the LAST person on earth who would ever intend to be racist.

6) The level of Adele's anger over the racist alegations should tell you that.

Someone should apologise to Adele.

Empty Sky,

Quite franky, had Adele just simply apologised after finding out she had (inadvertently or otherwise) used a racist term to insult another researcher then no mountain would have happened.

Meanwhile, nobody called her a racist, they only objected to the use of a racist word.

In any case, the tone of the posting in question was quite angry and insulting and there is no doubt that she meant to insult blicky. That in itself should have warranted an apology from her. So it is absurd to propose that anyone apologise to her.

Anyhow, it's a dead issue now. Both Della and blicky have agreed to let it rest.

az

I ask You some simple questions and get this:

Please, before one of us dies, get it into your thick skulls that:

You start off with a polite request but have switched to insulting me within a sentence. Well you are a friend of Dellas so I shouldn't be surprised.

1) The word is not in common usage ANYWHERE. It is not a good word and it is not a bad word either is is virtually NON-EXISTENT.

Oh that it and the sentiment behind the word were non-existant.

Should I take it you have been everywhere and or you are an expert on language and its use the world over. If you had been and you claimed to be I'd say you werent very pbservant or much of an expert. You are infact wrong in your assertion.

THAT is the reason for all the confusion here. Some idiot heard a word that no-one has ever heard before that happens to rhyme with an offensive word and conclusions were leapt to.

What confusion. If you think Im an idiot you are welcome to that conclusion, but I do have the nous to remeber hearing the word and being able to find out and understand what it means something others seem to have a lot of trouble with. I'm not confused, although I could see how someone could be if they believed lies like this:

Sorry, MinnieMouse - if only I'd met you sooner! I am going, because of what happened on the Alpha Course thread. If I come back, I'll look you up. Thanks.

Like your post 10, it starts off politely enough, but by the very next sentence she's off and lying. We both know she went nowhere at all. "If I come back", oh my heart is breaking for the por woman who may never return. She hasnt looked up Minnie to my knowledge so shes deliberately deceiving an innocent bystander for the sake off eeking out a little sympathy. She rounds it off with a polite "thanks". Is that the correct ettiquete in NZ say what you like as long as you mind your Ps and Qs


3) A bloody great huge mountain has been built out of a non-existent molehill.

4) Nobody, Adele included, ever intended to be racist.

5) Adele is the LAST person on earth who would ever intend to be racist.

I can deal with all three of these at once. She could have simply accepted that she was not aware of the real meaning of the word and said sorry instead rebuking others for pointing out its meaning and whinging to anyone who'd listen that she was being called racist when she NEVER was.

6) The level of Adele's anger over the racist alegations should tell you that.

The level of her anger tells me nothing because she gets angry at the drop of a hat. In fact it suggests to me that she may have been piqued by an arrow that got to close to the bullseye

Someone should apologise to Adele.

Dont you mean Della, you should know that as you know her so well. I rather think that someone should apologise to you after all you have made your self look a little daft sticking up for a made up character who was in the wrong all along.

Sorry az, but it seems I as much or more than others cant let it go.

blicky,

Yes, but it's all just silly, isn't it? Della hasn't gone anywhere at all, she only shut down the page of her alter-ego Adele. She is still posting as Della on all the same threads that Adele was on, including the Alpha Course thread, so she was obviously not 'driven away' by the so-called censors.

hi Empty Sky,

It turns out that the word 'wigger' is in fact quite a well-known word these days. If Della didn't know what it meant then I think it was very unwise for her to use it, especially in an attempt to insult somebody else. And, as I said before, all she had to do in the first place was apologise for using it, after it had been explained to her that it was in fact a racist term. Had she done so then I'm sure blicky would have accepted the apology, everyone else would have shrugged their shoulders, and that would have been it.

The only personal problem I have with Della is that she keeps insisting that I have something against her because she is a christian when truly nothing could be further from the truth. I even sent her an extra special and nice Christmas greeting on the god thread and yet she continues to call me names and she even started a thread called 'War' on my personal page. Something I thought was totally out of line.

I realise that you are her friend and that you want to back her up and all that. And that's fair enough, I guess. But if you want to argue on her behalf you should check out the facts first I think. And try not to make assumptions about people you don't know. I think you are right that Member insinuated she was racist (though he didn't quite come out and say it) but he was the only person to do this. I think he was wrong to do this as I don't believe at all that Della is racist, and I am sure nobody else does either.

She just made a mistake. And the reason it got all blown out of proportion was the fact that she refused to apologise for it - that is the bottom line. It didn't help her any that instead of apologising she tried to blame other people, including myself, for 'provoking' her into saying what she did, stating that we did this on purpose because she is a christian. Like, say what??? That made no sense to me at all.

I am a friend of blicky's so, like you with Della, I have also been arguing this subject on his behalf. But I am doing this without anger and I think if you read this posting carefully you will see that I have not made any sort of negative comment about Della as a person. I just honestly don't understand why she reacted the way she did when the obvious and easiest thing to have done would have been to simply apologise and move on.

Also, if you do a bit of research and read the backlog on the Alpha Course thread, you will see postings from me when I have told both Member and blicky to calm down and back off and treat Della (then Adele) more kindly. I think the last time I did this was quite recently (in response to a posting from Member to Della) and Della even came back thanking me for my calm approach and for backing her up. So why she remains convinced that I dislike her or have something personally against her is beyond me.

I don't put up with bad manners on any thread, and just yesterday I posted something to Member about how he had over-stepped, in my humble opinion, with regards to his comments about another researcher.

This is a public forum and, as I have often said to Della, she is very welcome to post whatever she likes, but then she must also accept that some people might not agree with her and will debate what she says. I debate with her all the time and I have never used insulting words in my postings to her, yet she has often called me names. Again - I do not understand this.

Anyhow, just trying to give you another perspective on all this. It really should not have got so out of hand.

az

Just another twit, "" She was married to a NZ Maori"

I note the past tense with interest and no surprise at all."

I am sitting here simmering with rage as no one knows more about this than I do. I am a non violent person but if I were in the same room when you wrote that. I would flatten you on the spot.

I will copy this message to your personal space.

wraith,

You are quoting Member there and I have already said that nobody agrees with his opinions on this matter.

What Member says in his postings has nothing to do with either myself or blicky. Did you actually read my last posting?

az

I read your post but it does not change the fact that what I quoted is personal for me.

But it was not a quote from blicky. And it was not a quote from myself.

Member is actually not involved at all in this argument.

Well, like I said to blicky on the other thread, posting things in anger doesn't do anybody any good at all.

az

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What the hell is a 'nugget' Oetzi? And why are you here on this thread that has nothing to do with you whatsoever? Please go away. Thank you.

az