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A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) Started conversation Jun 17, 2001
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A452891
Having finally got around to seeing the latest Highlander film, I feel my entry on the complete Highlander opus is ready for peer review. Take a look and let me know.
The Prophet
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Azara Posted Jun 19, 2001
Hello, Prophet!
I have had a look at your Highlander entry. I don't know that much about the franchise end of things - I saw the original film years ago and was firmly told that There Is No Sequel, so I never watched the rest.
I think it's a pity to use so many footnotes. It's one thing if you've got a few dry facts to refer to that might bog down the flow of the entry, but in your case a lot of the footnotes seem to be witty comments, and I think they deserve to be up where the reader will see them straightaway.
A little nit to pick - isn't Sean Connery from Edinburgh? I would be inclined to change the reference to his 'Highland burr' and say 'Scottish burr' instead, in case serious discussion gets derailed by local rivalry as to where the Highlands end and the Lowlands begin.
Azara
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Jun 19, 2001
Perhaps a bit too long overall. The recension of the original would be enough material to make an entry of its own. Otherwise, a few tags would make it more easily consumable.
Heee heee, "Highlander II both sucks and blows..." I watched it only until the 'suck' part then flipped to another channel
"The Sorcerer was the second best ..."
Them ol' footnotes.. don't think they're a problem: if you use Opera or IE then you can read them by just letting the mouse pointer 'hover' above the note, no need to jump back and forth to/from the bottom of the entry. Netscape users can click on the footnote and then use the button. [sidenote: no 'I' please in footnote 13/17. You could use 'This researcher...', 'Some people..', or 'if it is assumed' here]
Having read halfway through the entry I get the feeling that I've got the wrong idea of 'franchise' -- I was expecting T-shirts, coffee mugs & such. Well, I'm not a native speaker and learning...
Minor things (you seem to be a professional writer )
"give him the strength to off Kell" - is 'off' a verb'?
Verb missing?: 'The Raven *dances* its final waltz'
To sum it up:
This entry isn't a sequel but a prequel and uniquel , and if these words hitherto didn't exist then consider them coined now, (c) Bossel Scouterprises Inc.
This won't fail to get the 'Edited' stamp.
Bossel (Scout)
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Hoovooloo Posted Jun 19, 2001
I have this to say. The first film exists. It is great. It is beautiful. It is perfectly self-contained. My mate Steve and I love it. We refer to the next one as "The Scottish Film", on the grounds that its name should not be mentioned. We don't even talk about the third one!
That's my contribution. My apologies for being incoherent, my excuse is much beer.
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Barton Posted Jun 19, 2001
Just a quick word: the T-shirt and coffee mug enterprises do exist, here in the States, at least, by mail-order. Also popular are replicas of the katanas used in each of the films, carefully distinguished as to which came from which film or TV show.
I liked the article generally, but was not happy with the disclaimer about not having seen what you were writing about. It is not necessary that the article should appear to be entirely your opinion with excuses for having to 'resort' to what other people had to say. Simply blend it all together in a proper third person presnetation and it will work fine (much like having written an article on the great telescopes of the world and apologizing for not having personally looked through each of them.) Of course, this is an opinionated appraisal, but it is still an appraisal with an attempt to be comprehensive and fair. The standards used are clear and acceptable. There will undoubtedly be dissenters as well as supporters. But, I don't think that anyone can challenge you on facts.
I like this one.
Barton
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Hoovooloo Posted Jun 19, 2001
Firstly, agreement with Barton's comments.
Next:
appealing has one l (para 6)
worth pointing out that Katana (as in General Katana) is a kind of sword?
should be Bart Simpson BELIEVES with an S
It's Michael not Micheali Ironside
worthwhile pointing out this performance is an extended Jack Nicholson impression
It became cear that different immortals had chosen very different ways of life - clear, surely
All picky stuff, I know, but it'll save a subed some work, and heaven knows they're a bunch of workshy fops... (please pronounce the previous sentence in as accurate an impression as you can manage of Bob Mortimer)
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) Posted Jun 20, 2001
Trying to take everything in order.
First up, I love you all.
I'll check out where Sean comes from. I made an assumption based on his narration of a TV programme on Highlanders (real ones).
'To off', means to kill. I'll change that.
It's more that the Raven _is_ it's final waltz (although I now hear there is a Methos cartoon; have to check that out).
I've seen the replica swords, and I will put a mention of them - and the mugs and t-shirts - in the final chapter. As an aside, I did read somewhere that Connor's sword is in fact a taichi, not a katana, but sice very few people are sure what the difference is, it's probably too pedantic to note.
Point accepted on the 'not seen' disclaimers. Will amend.
I'll pop in the mention of the 'Katana' corelation, and deal with the typos, but it would be superfluous to describe Michael Ironside's performance as an extended Jack Nicholson impression, since Michael Ironside's _career_ is basically an extended Jack Nicholson impression.
The Prophet.
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Cloviscat Posted Jun 20, 2001
Sean Connery *does* come from Edinburgh - more particul.arly from Fountainbridge, with is an area of densely tenemented streets just West of the City centre.
Hope this helps!
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Dancing Ermine Posted Jun 29, 2001
I like this entry as well and though it is long I don't think that really matters when it is as well written as this one.
One quibble springs to mind though. In Highlander II the immortals weren't exactly mortal on their home planet either, there is at least one occasion where Katana or some other general says to cut off the heads of the rebels who had been shot in the battle and all the soldiers still carry swords in one of the scenes (Mind you I only noticed that the second or third time I watched the film and I take it that you don't particularly want to have to go through that again ). My point is that it's not totally unreasonable that Katana could survive for the five hundred years or so that Connor has been on Earth (or even the 2000+ of Ramirez)n so I also question the statement that the Prize was to be mortality on his home planet. Perhaps it was mortality on Earth and Immortality on his home planet. This would further explain Katana's in comprehension that anyone would wish to stay on Earth after finishing off the other immortals.
Great article though. i knew I remembered the cartoon series a few years ago, never saw much of it though...
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Will Of God Posted Jun 29, 2001
You might mention the the alternative to the "alien" theory in II is a "from the future" theory in II: Renegade
A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) Posted Jun 29, 2001
I might, but I didn't previously know that. I've never seen the Renegade version, nor have I met anyone else who has.
As for immortality on their home planet, it is explicitly stated that they are mortal on Zeist _and_ that it began five hundred years ago. I suppose Zeistians might just have really long lifespans; or maybe it's a relativity thing. My own theory is that the makers just didn't care enough to have it make sense.
Anyway, I'll pop in that future thing.
The Prophet.
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Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) Posted Jul 26, 2001
I'd be all modest, but you'd know I was lying.
Who da man? Who da maaaan?
The Prophet.
P.S. - The answer is Issac Hayes, or possibly Joss Whedon.
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A452891 - The Highlander Franchise and Phenomenon
- 1: Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) (Jun 17, 2001)
- 2: Azara (Jun 19, 2001)
- 3: Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese (Jun 19, 2001)
- 4: Hoovooloo (Jun 19, 2001)
- 5: Barton (Jun 19, 2001)
- 6: Hoovooloo (Jun 19, 2001)
- 7: Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) (Jun 20, 2001)
- 8: Cloviscat (Jun 20, 2001)
- 9: Dancing Ermine (Jun 29, 2001)
- 10: Will Of God (Jun 29, 2001)
- 11: Mr Prophet (General Purpose Genre Guru) (Jun 29, 2001)
- 12: h2g2 auto-messages (Jul 26, 2001)
- 13: Azara (Jul 26, 2001)
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