h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

think we all did a god job.Its a free world today .Thanks to the soldiers who put their lifes on the line for us to be able to have free speach.

No Fats. Today's world is the product of that war. The attitudes ARE the attitudes born of that outcome. Past and present. Move on yes, but the future will be shaped by the status quo..real politik..if you will.

Zoomer... Hanger has bugged out. Suggest you summon reinforcements. Your outflanked logger.

Agreed Baboon

Friday Night..quiet.
They'll be regrouping Baboon..looking good brother.
They ain't got enough as it stands.

the conversation focasing on the war is a wee bit frustraing, i was making a point, but my initial post focased more on the mistreatment of mexico by the americans and how they came to dominate n. america. it is interesting how many crimes aganist humanity were commited in america fufilling thier "manifest destiny"

Suggest you find Rokdreemer or Montana, your well and truly wupped!

Crimes on humanity is a global phenomena. Has been for 100k years.

americans are people, some good some bad. but what is a shame is the state of US politics. they have the best policical system, more rights than anyone else but a goverment that is completly unrepresentative of the people. there is't even a left wing party. the real downfall of the US is it's size. it would have been much better for the us and the world at large if it was a confederation of states rather then united states. the further away from the people politic go the more scope for incompatentes and corruption. the only remenants of statehood are the electorial colleges which are now a system of control. why do the people not revolt, politically speaking. my main gripe against americans is what they let their goverment do.

If you want an example of people politics look to France. the French do not stand for any crap whatsoever and I admire them.

For example 15k old people died this summer from heat exhaustion. The government acted today by cutting a public holiday and the profits from ALL business will be used to protect the old from adverse events.

Now that is what I call government for the people!
LIBERTE EGALITE!

23:20 folks..Oetzi and pack off shift. Better luck next time!

I have no idea what you were saying in your earlier posts, Oetzi.

I am an American, and I have noted that many Americans have the attitude that we won the World Wars pretty much by ourselves, and that the other nations (France in particular) were better at surrendering than anything else.

Of course, this notion is false. Though America did more than any other nation to defeat the Japanese and also contributed greatly to the western European front and the fight for North Africa, other nations (notably Russia, which sacrificed an unbelievable number of soldiers to get to Berlin) were indispensable in defeating the Axis powers.

I have no idea what your references to CANADIAN-trained airmen, the Russian winter, Nazi conscripts, or the untouched American continent have to do with anything. Yes, several factors contributed to the war's end. This is what fathead was saying. Yes, America protected itself from the effects of war (except Pearl Harbor, which I realize is not on the continent, and a few spots in Oregon where Japanese balloons, which I realize are not shells, landed) - but this is irrelevant to the discussion. The discussion was not about why America entered the war, but about current American attitudes toward the war - and it was only about American attitudes because you chose to pay attention to that small fraction of fathead's post and harp endlessly about the war.

Re "Crimes on humanity is a global phenomena": crime in general is also a global phenomenon, yet we hold criminals to account for their misdeeds. This forum is not called "What's Wrong With Americans That's Not Wrong With Anybody Else," but "What's Wrong With Americans." True, we are singled out, but that's because we've committed some fairly grevious acts.

liked ive said in my earlier threads . america isnt perfect But its not as Bad .As other nations on this planet .So why dont you all agree to that?.Cause its the truth.

Of course America isn't the very worst nation on the planet, but that means very little. For instance, I think that mass murderer Charles Manson was a better person than Adolf Hitler. Does this make Charles Manson a good person? Of course not! He's still a malevolent murderer with a swastika carved into his forehead!

no one or country is perfect, but know one else is forceing there version of imperfection so forcefully on the rest of the world. at least we scots have the decency to admit our actions in the time of the empire were wrong, america seems incapable of admiting it is building an empire, in both geographic an economic terms.

Building an empire? I don't know about that. I mean, Iraq is becoming an increasingly Vietnam-like situation; we really want to get out of Iraq more than we want to occupy it or colonize it. And, like Vietnam, we had more of an ideological/national security motive for invading (well, political really - Bush wanted to be a war hero - but nominally it was "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and we wanted to topple a dangerous regime) than an expansionist one.

To those who say "oil, oil, oil": it's not about the oil. Invading Iraq would have to be the least economical method of controlling oil that has ever been devised.

so what if invading iraq was a bit to do with the oil?.Who wil the cash from the oil be going to? The iraqi people not saddam.It can go to help rebuild the country .So thats great news for the folk living there

yes but who gets the contracts to rebuild it? why has debt saddam ran up been transfered to the as yes unfounded iraqi goverment? the country is being divied up. the real seat of power is no washington but wallstreet. and when the millitary does leave they will leave bases as they have all over the world. why would any county have a level of millitary spending equal to the rest of the world for no purpose. in traditional millitary terms the world is far safer than ever before. and to fight terrorism what you need is an expanded special forces, and more importantly, pressure on isreal to pull back to the 1967 borders.

and do you really see america leaving a goverment that isn't pro america? I am not islamic, but i have know that musims believe in a unity between state and religion. is it not undemocratic to force us style democracy on the unwilling?

now your talking rubbish You name me a democratic muslim state?

Nigeria for one, and as one who believes that Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad were all sent by the same guy there is no reason why it couldn't work as well as a Christian or Jewish state, an Islamic state developed with electorate in mind could work with the right checks and balances, Ireland is a catholic state that is probably one of the most fair and moral today, britian has Anglican clerics in the house of lords. to say that an Islamic state couldn't work is saying that Islam is some how less civilized then Christianity. don't get me wrong, i think church and state are better separate, but it should be up to the Iraqis