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Star Wars - what do I *need* to know about it?

Post 1

Icy North

This is a bit of an experiment.

If I was an alien who had decided to come to earth and integrate with society here, I'd need to pick up some knowledge of popular culture in order to communicate normally with people and understand cultural references. I'd like to understand the level of knowledge I'd require to do this.

And so I'm going to throw it over to you. Let's pick the movie Star Wars (and the associated franchise) as an example. What facts would an alien actually need to know about Star Wars, in order for them to function normally in society without seeming to be some sort of cultural deficient (to put it politely)?

smiley - cheers Icy


Star Wars - what do I *need* to know about it?

Post 2

You can call me TC

In the case of Star Wars, I reckon, these days, you could get away without knowing anything about it. It's probably even smiley - cool to deny ever having seen the films (despite what Marcus Brigstoke says)


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Post 3

Bluebottle

Doesn't it depend on how you define 'Society'? I've met groups of people when I was at Uni where an encyclopaedic knowledge of at least the first three films and the first score published Expanded Universe novels was considered normal...

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Post 4

Icy North

Good points. Let's assume you were having a drink with some reasonably-informed people you only just met in a bar. Or maybe you were writing an article for a local newspaper.

I appreciate you will get people with encyclopaedic knowledge of these things - that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid.

Maybe I need to kick this off. I'll start with this fact (and feel free to argue whether it's essential knowledge, or whether it's either insufficient or too much knowledge for everyday purposes)

"There's a mysterious baddie called Darth Vader, who wears a black cloak, helmet and mask and speaks in a breathy voice."


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Post 5

Icy North

Or another analogy. Let's say you go to see a stand-up comedian, and he cracks a joke which would require you to understand this particular cultural reference.


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Post 6

You can call me TC

Aah. Now, as an expat (sort of alien), I miss out on many of these, and I can perhaps give an answer.

Basically, they all boil down to the same sort of thing. There are things I remember from when I lived in the UK, some things you sort of pick up, and others, you just guess from the way people comment on them. It's quite easy to feign inside knowledge if you watch what you say and keep it fairly neutral.

Or you retaliate by going off at a tangent and telling everyone about a similar thing from the planet/country you are from.

I.e. Once you have got the concept of this sort of thing, it's not hard to pick up the general gist from listening to others' comments.


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Post 7

Gnomon - time to move on

There are lots of catch phrases from Star Wars which you would need to know and understand the context of. I may be misquoting them here:

Long, long ago, in a galaxy far away

Luke, I am your father

May the Force be with you

Come over to the Dark Side.

These are not the droids you're looking for.

There is no "try".

I've a bad feeling about this.

You'd also need to know the noise a light sabre makes, the sound of Darth Vader's voice, and both the sound and grammatical syntax of Yoda's speech.

You'd need a basic summary of the first film, but the plots of the other five would be irrelevant.

You'd need to know and understand the major controversies over the making of the films:

1. That the first film is Episode 4, and the odd numbering after that.
2. That Han Solo shot first in the bar scene but it was re-filmed with him shooting second.
3. The disaster that is Jar Jar Binks.

That should be enough to get by and pass as a native.


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Post 8

SiliconDioxide

Hans Solo shot first, but it was George Lucas who got away with murder in the sequels.


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Post 9

SiliconDioxide

C3PO was built by a six year old. Jar Jar Binks wasn't so lucky.


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Post 10

Mr. X ---> "Be excellent to each other. And party on, dudes!"

"Breathy"? Look, there's no way Darth Vader has a "breathy" voice. It is deep, resonating, and malevolent. Not breathy.

Also, I don't mean to come across as a pedant, but let me correct some of those quotations ---


"Long, long ago, in a galaxy far away" should be "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..."


"Luke, I am your father" technically has a "No," in front of it, but even I don't care.


"May the Force be with you" is exactly right.


"Come over to the Dark Side." has a number of different permutations, so there's not a lot of point arguing with it, but usually the verb is more along the lines of "[Give yourself] to the Dark Side."


"These are not the droids you're looking for."


"[Do, or do not.] There is no "try"."


"I've got a bad feeling about this."

---Classic.


I've never understood what everybody has against Jar Jar Binks. I mean, yes, plainly he isn't one of the better characters, but I don't think he deserves anywhere near the amount of vitriol that he gets.

smiley - pirate


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Post 11

Bluebottle

I think it was because he shattered so many beliefs when he called the young Darth Vader 'Annie' in a very squeaky voice. Darth Vader should not ever have been an 'Annie'. The name 'Annie' has too many connotations of long, dreary Sunday afternoons forced watching a long, dreary film which apparently I had to watch because it has a child as the titular character...

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Post 12

Icy North

Good list, Gnomon.

You'd also need to know what a light sabre is and looks like, as well as what it sounds like.

I guess you'd need to recognise images of Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Chewbacca, Yoda, C3PO, R2D2, Darth Vader, Stormtroopers and Princess Leia.

The Millennium Falcon spaceship and Death Star, possibly.

Not sure if you'd need to know all the actors, but Harrison Ford, Alec Guinness and Carrie Fisher might be the top three.


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Post 13

Sho - employed again!

you definitely need to know that Obi Wan Kenobi and Ben Kenobi is the same person


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Post 14

Gnomon - time to move on

The legs'll come off tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow
I'll be in the dumps

As sure as there's snow tomorrow
All my limbs are gonna go tomorrow
I'll have stumps

When I think of the Force, of course I feel bad
I just kill a few and men and grin and say

Tomorrow! Tomorrow! The Dark Side I'll follow
And make all the Good Guys pay!


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Post 15

Gnomon - time to move on

I always wanted to make a joke about how Obi Nobi got his middle name, but I could never get the wording quite right.


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Post 16

SiliconDioxide

Missing quote:

You'll need a tray...


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Post 17

Icy North

There's a few of those quotes I don't recognise (but I haven't watched it for quite a few years)

The question is, does this make me culturally deficient?


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Post 18

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

"I've never understood what everybody has against Jar Jar Binks. I mean, yes, plainly he isn't one of the better characters, but I don't think he deserves anywhere near the amount of vitriol that he gets." [Mr. X]

Jar Jar served a deliberate purpose: to show how societies can become so corrupt that they put fools into high office where thy can destroy everything. Look, for instance, at Kosygin and Brezhnev, not the sharpest knives in the Marxist knife rack. Money manager Peter Lynch used to say that you should only invest in business so fantastic that even a fool can run them, since eventually a fool probably *will* run them.

"Star Wars" is not just about people with lofty ideals and high intelligence. smiley - sadface


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Post 19

Mr. X ---> "Be excellent to each other. And party on, dudes!"

Again, I don't see why this makes Jar Jar Binks so contemptible. smiley - shrug

smiley - pirate


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Post 20

paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant

He's not contemptible per se. The contemptible ones are those who use him. He would be fine on most planets in most of the universe. smiley - smiley I rather liked him, but I couldn't admit it to many hardcore fans. smiley - sadface


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