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mr gideon Started conversation Sep 23, 2011
If person A is in 19 out of every 20 public thread, and
If person B posts in maybe 5 or 6 of every 20 public threads, ...
Is person B stalking or harassing person A?
Or is it the nature of a site for people to happen to pass each other in public threads?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 23, 2011
If person B's comments are addressed to the world at large, then there is no harm done. But if person B's comments are repeatedly aimed at person A, then they could certainly be accused of harassing them.
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8584330 Posted Sep 24, 2011
If person A is in 19 out of 20 public threads, that is, 95% of all public threads,
And person B is in 5 or 6 out of every 20 public threads, that is, between 25% and 30%,
Then it is extremely likely that both persons will be in the same thread, and it is impossible for them not to be in some threads.
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Rev Nick - dead man walking (mostly) Posted Sep 24, 2011
Well hey, that first post looks familiar ... When I wrote those exact words some time ago, they vanished twice. (Re-instated both times without debate or appeal too)
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Sep 24, 2011
Mr Gideon, it would have been polite to acknowledge Nick as the author of your original posting, rather than just borrowing his words.
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Icy North Posted Sep 24, 2011
You could bring this down to a purely statistical calculation: define the hypothesis (eg. "B's posts are more likely to be in the threads in which A has posted"), apply a T-test or something, and come up with 'strong evidence', 'weak evidence' or 'no evidence' to support the hypothesis. That bit's not difficult.
The thing is whether you interpret that hypothesis as meaning 'stalking'. You'd need some qualitative justification, really.
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8584330 Posted Sep 24, 2011
We could also use a Bayesian approach to the problem, Icy. And we probably ought to define "public threads".
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Z Posted Sep 24, 2011
I think the Possion distribution is probably the more appropriate.
But also it's all about how people feel. If you are making someone feel stalked it might be worth taking a step back.
Because no one wants to make someone feel bad, right?
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Z Posted Sep 24, 2011
Yeah, Ok I know the Poisson distribution is totally inappropriate for this situation.
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Rev Nick - dead man walking (mostly) Posted Sep 24, 2011
Some folks seeing the same (un-liked) person in two consecutive threads will feel 'haunted and stalked'. The actual mathematics really don't count at that point, it is the emotional response more so than any real or practical one.
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8584330 Posted Sep 24, 2011
Oh, dear.
Dr Zen, Modeling the phenomena as described in the OP as a Poisson event would not be appropriate.
Events that lend themselves to Poisson modeling are rare events, such as component failure or chromosome mutation.
The situation as described in the OP would clearly not be rare.
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8584330 Posted Sep 24, 2011
The actual mathematics really don't count
Don't you ever say that to me again Nick. You *know* how I feel about math.
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8584330 Posted Sep 24, 2011
>> Yeah, Ok I know the Poisson distribution is totally inappropriate for this situation.
Sorry, I started writing my mathy response, went to put the coffee on, fished writing, pressed Post Message then saw this.
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Z Posted Sep 24, 2011
Yeah,Possion was the first distribution that came to mind. I don't know why.
Though I don't think you can model based on the fact that the expected response would be for people to post randomly throughout the site. You're more likely to post where you friends are for instance.
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Icy North Posted Sep 24, 2011
In that case you would phrase a hypothesis in terms of B following A where A doesn't follow B. The stalked don't chase the stalkers.
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