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Post 21

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - bigeyes
"generally effective command of the language despite some inaccuracies, inappropriacies and misunderstandings".

I assume your use of quotation marks indicates this line is from THEIR description.
smiley - yikes
Try sending THEM a quick email, with lots of smileys. pointing out that
'inappropriacies' is not to be found in any online English dictionary.

Tell them it's quite creative, but as a speaker of English you find it strange,
especially as no one else seems to recognise it as an 'appropriate'
noun construct from the adjective. Even Spellcheck objects.

I'd be pleased if someone would check the OED and report back here.
If there is a cited use, tuppence says it will probably be from THEM.
Thanks,
smiley - cheers
~jwf~


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Post 22

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Yup, further searching shows that 'inappropriacies' is entirely an invention of the IELTS crowd.

http://ask.reference.com/web?q=inappropriacies&o=10603&l=dir

Every link uses the exact same quote. All cut and pasted from some
unknown source who's probably laughing his Rs off somewhere.

smiley - laugh
~jwf~


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Post 23

Not-so-bald-eagle


look up 'inappropriacy' rather than 'inappropriacies'

It's unusual but it exists

smiley - coolsmiley - bubbly


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Post 24

Malabarista - now with added pony

So they're just warning you that they're going to be testing you on very obscure words smiley - laugh


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Post 25

Malabarista - now with added pony

The slightly more usual form seems to be "inappropriatenesses", but that looks stupid, too smiley - laugh


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Post 26

A Super Furry Animal

Inappropriate usages would be a more appropriate usage.

RFsmiley - evilgrin


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Post 27

Yelbakk


Eschewing discombobulation mollifies obfuscation.

Try that on them.

Y.


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Post 28

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Nsba:
>> ...look up 'inappropriacy' rather than 'inappropriacies'
It's unusual but it exists... <<

Dicdotcom still says:
"No results found for inappropriacy:"

But, yeah, I believe you. smiley - doh
Not the first time I've made the mistake of searching a plural in
online dictionaries and been frustrated by their failure to recognise
a plural form.

Y'd think dictionaries, especially online dictionaries, would/could
very easily 'see' that a plural form was being searched. Usually I'm
complaining because so much recent software 'anticipates' user typos
and ignorance with automatic fill-ins or 'Did you mean...' type queries.

Admittedly there are a lot of different ways to make a plural in English
so it may be problematic for online dictionaries to offer to search all the
variables which do not appear as entries with their own page header.

Google was more informative:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=inappropriacy%3A&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

"Inappropriacy is a word used by folks in Lawrence Kansas to indicate that which is inappropriate."

smiley - laugh
smiley - cheers
~jwf~


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Post 29

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

PS:

In my post at the top of the page I linked to a list of eerily similar
quotes from several IELTS sites which seemed to demonstrate
that the same quote was being copied and pasted by these agencies
in several countries and languages. The point being they accepted
the authority of the primary source (IELTS) without question.

As a result the word seems to be spreading among foreign language
speakers learning to speak English and facing IELTS tests.

Here's a Saudi Arabian poet:

http://hayaah-thevoicethatlearnttospeak.blogspot.com/2009/07/inappropriacy.html

And I bet she's never been to Lawrence, Kansas.

smiley - biggrin
~jwf~


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Post 30

Not-so-bald-eagle


"—inappropriateness *also* inappropriacy noun [uncountable]"

http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/inappropriate

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/appropriacy


smiley - winkeye maaaaan, ah ain't never been to Kansas

(begging appropriate forgiveness for the silly accent from the people of Kansas)

smiley - coolsmiley - bubbly


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Post 31

Not-so-bald-eagle

smiley - simpost


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Post 32

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Nsba linked:
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/appropriacy

It seems that MacMillan Dict confines the meaning to language structure. (at least for the time being)

"...the degree to which a word, expression, or grammar pattern is natural or acceptable in a particular situation"

Likely it will not be long before it spreads to all manner of social behaviours. Where-ever maintaining 'standards'
is prized, those who like to pass value judgments on the conformity of others will begin to consider the use of the
word 'innapropiacies' a mark of their superiority.

smiley - winkeye
~jwf~


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Post 33

Not-so-bald-eagle


I seem to think I came across it in some report on behaviour

'no notion of inappropriacy' I think it was.... not a recent thing unless I'm mistaken

smiley - coolsmiley - bubbly


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Post 34

Mrs Zen

I'm afraid that I'm with the bureaucrats. You wanna play with their ball? You are going to have to play by their rules. And as Otto says, it isn't a stupid rule.

In fact it is arguable that it should be more rigourously applied, not less rigorously, because we should do all we can to ensure this sort of nonsense doesn't happen: http://www.ephemeraweb.org/journal/7-1/7-1cote-pybus.pdf Though in fairness, there is nothing to indicate that the authors are not native speakers of English, and one of them - bob help us - "teaches in Communication Studies". But their sources seem to be European post-modernists.

Architecture is presumably not prone to that sort of post-modernist wilful obscurantism, but even so. smiley - shrug

The argument that native speakers should have to pass IELTS too is actually a good one.

Ben


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Post 35

Wand'rin star

I marked IELTS in various foreign places in the past. Quite a lot of the sort of native speaker "mistakes" many of you are complaining about would have been allowed. Still if you want native speakers to take the testm I might get some post-retirement wotk smiley - starsmiley - star


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Post 36

Malabarista - now with added pony

Oh, if *everyone* had to take it, fine.

But I object to giving that much of my money to a private company to prove something that should be obvious from my CV.


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Post 37

Malabarista - now with added pony

Oh, and of course architects have "post-modernist wilful obscurantism", but they use it for something that'll physically clutter up the landscape for 20+ years. Take the Vanna Venturi house, which Venturi designed for his elderly mother.

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t041/T041606A.jpg

He purposely made it difficult to find the entrance and awkward to use the interior space. The stairs, especially, are a masterpiece of being bl**dy stupid, especially as his mother was nearly blind. They end in a point, the better for tripping over, and there's a wall standing in the middle of the stairwell halfway up.

http://cti.itc.virginia.edu/~arch200/Images/VannaVenturi/Half/venturi01.jpg

But it's "art", and I suppose that since her son made it, she had to put her refrigerator in it. Or something like that.


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Post 38

Recumbentman

Just checked OED online; inappropriacy is not mentioned in any entry, only inappropriate, inappropriately, and inappropriateness.

And there are not many English words the OED doesn't mention . . .


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Post 39

Recumbentman

OED has no place for appropriacy either. So hnah.


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Post 40

Recumbentman

Any feedback yet? On the face of it it is absurd; anyone's grasp of language can be judged sufficiently from their correspondence, unless they are suspected of having an amanuensis.


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