h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

TerryG
>>"arch-enemy" who this?<<

The one mentioned in verse 2 in post 2979 ..

Bonobo,
"should infertile heterosexual couples be allowed to adopt?" Yes,
The main reason is because one is male and the other is female.
their seed in almost all case can make a baby *Naturally*,
they are in the right direction.

marriage involves a church and a priest, plain and simple.
if not it would have been in court, were there is a bible always present. to get married some where along the line religion is involved.

>>their seed in almost all case can make a baby *Naturally*,
they are in the right direction.

Hmm. Evan a man with defective testes and a woman with defective ovaries? Should they be allowed to get married?

(Without wishing to put words in your mouth...I imagine you'll say something along the lines of this being a small biological quirk in a body along the normal gender lines. Which differs - how - from the small biological quirk that makes men and women gay?)

>>marriage involves a church and a priest, plain and simple.

So I'm not married? Any suggestions for how I should break this to my wife?

What about Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Sikh weddings...etc.

>>if not it would have been in court, were there is a bible always present. to get married some where along the line religion is involved.

No - sorry - I was at my wedding and you were not. I can assure you, I *promise* you there was not a scrap of religion involved. If there was a bible in the room (a former council chamber, incidentally, not a court), then it was well hidden. I certainly never saw one.

What odd ideas you have!

I attended lovely wedding ceremony last weekend between my cousin and her fiancé. Granted according to Terry's rather limited definition: their genders where all in the correct place, but this was nevertheless a civil ceremony conducted by a registrar.

It was beautiful and wonderful, the bride, my cousin, looked astounding in her bridal gown and I've not seen two people so happy in each other's company for a while.

So it's not as plain and simple as that, Terry. There wasn't a priest or a church in sight. I defy you to tell me they are not a married couple.

I do so love the tolerance of the religious, if it's not beating children with sticks and whips, we can rely on them to inflicting their miserly view of natural order on everyone around them.

Perhaps their is an island somewhere, perhaps on the moon, where we could send them and they could live in married, child-rearing, christian, bliss in seclusion and splendid isolation from the rest of us?

Tragically this is unlikely, so they'll have to get on with tolerating the presence of the ungodly, the gay, and the infertile, and we'll have to put up with their complaining about it. Endlessly. Roy, HI, your tolerance in the face of such provocation is heartening.

>> Perhaps their is an island somewhere, perhaps on the moon, where we could send them and they could live in married, child-rearing, christian, bliss in seclusion and splendid isolation from the rest of us? <<

it's here: http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/USA/Utah_map.jpg

RF

Edward,
>>from the small biological quirk that makes men and women gay?<<

no such biological quirk, just confusion.


>>What about Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or Sikh weddings<<
Dont even bring them into, especially muslims and sikhs it is against the law to be gay where they are from and will have no greater honour than to be rid of them.

"I *promise* you there was not a scrap of religion involved"
if your are a atheist then you are also a hypocrit, or just lucky to live in a freeworld.

Terry:

>>no such biological quirk, just confusion.

And so decides you.

Ach...I'm not intersted in your pseudo-logical justifications for straight-only marriage. I'm not intersted in the religious aspects. The simple fact is - you're a bigot.

>>if your are a atheist then you are also a hypocrit,

If you insist. But at last I'm no bigot.

You occupy the moral low ground.

Ed,
Someone who believes in Almighty God and what He has made known to them is only "a bigot", because of their belief. From this, it implies that a disbeliever thinks that Almighty God is "a bigot".

I'm also a bigot as charged by the above!

Hi Docsharp,

Looks like you've fallen foul of the mods, but as you are quoted by Roymondo:

>some even admit to trying to turn people. That's not right!

Some Christians even admit to trying to turn people. That's not right!

There's nothing wrong with trying to make someone gay unless there is some *other* reason that being gay is wrong. You're also assuming that being gay is a choice - do you feel you could choose to be gay?

Gif

You said it, warner.

RF

Terry,

what a child needs is affection, beside proper food, cloths, etc.

Again, common sense is missing here.

Can´t you see that it is as "natural" being gay as having green eyes?

I see there´s a lot of harmful ignorance.

It really bores me to talk about this issue, but I can´t stand those words of you. It reminds me all the crap the right-wig Spanish hyerachy has been spitting since the Law for homosexuals rights was approved by my parlament in 2005.
Now, at least we don´t hear silly jokes about homosexuals on the media. It is not an issue any more. More and more people "get out of the wardrobe" as we say here. Judges and politicians, tv presenters, journalists, singers, etc. It is still a lot of homofobia, of course, but education without poison-hate-sick religion and time will have its effects step by step.
Homosexuality is a fact, it exists naturally, darling.


::
And...
there are sexual practises, not homosexual practises, so, taste a massage on your prostate, and you´ll be delighted.

right wing spanish Church hierarchy

Hi Terry,

>if you choose to be gay

You think it's a choice? My understanding is that many people struggle long and hard against being gay, before finally coming out of the Haggard.

>if you choose [...] not to have children, [...] you just thrown away millions of years of evolution.

Is a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to be lambasted for 'giving away evolution'? What about a bee that stings to save the hive?

Individuals die; their genes are immortal, and their genes are shared with their relatives. Given how little genetic variation there is among humans, a gay couple who adopt a child are probably helping quite a few of their own genes. Ever read The Selfish Gene?

>their seed in almost all case can make a baby *Naturally*,

Ah, so you are opposed to artificial means of conception - you're an opponent of any form of fertility treatment, I take it? Are you opposed to 'unnatural' medical intervention during birth?

>marriage involves a church and a priest, plain and simple. if not it would have been in court, were there is a bible always present.

Depends where you live. Here in the UK you can chose to have a civil service, in which case you are specifically banned from having religious trappings such as hymns.
http://www.confetti.co.uk/article/view/5079-7611-0-What_are_my_options_for_a_civil_ceremony__Wedding_readings.do
In the US, it would be unconstitutional to insist the Bible be used for anything, including a wedding or in court.

Where is it you live, that weddings are conducted in court?

Incidentally, your view seems to be diametrically opposed to what I was told in RL by a Christian a couple of years back - sex outside marriage is impossible because in God's eyes, any couple that have sex are married. Hence, any individual who has more than one lifetime partner is an adulterer.



>if your are a atheist then you are also a hypocrit, or just lucky to live in a freeworld.

where to even begin? The spelling, the grammar, philosophy, the politics, the logic, the bigotry, the hatred, the insecurity, the contradiction, the irony, the blatant falsehood, the bizarre definition of 'free world'... so much in a single sentence.

Some of the letters, taken by themseves, are quite sensible. Let's just leave it at that, shall we?

Gif

Sorry, for 'Haggard' read 'closet'. Don't know what I was thinking there.

Gif

>Where they are from<

The ghost over the wall you mean? The cannibals who eat each other's eat, The Anthropophagi and men whose heads do grow beneath their shoulders? Those dangerous 'f'orn parts: Here be dragons.

What about those Muslim, Jewish, Sikh and Hindu wedding ceremonies happening here in multicultural Britain?

"Don't bring them into it?" Why because it undermines the pint you are making and you can't stand being contradicted?

>>it is against the law to be gay<<
I'm certain someone being gay does suffer under unjust laws forbidding homosexuality in lots of places around the world (the UK,only relatively recently becoming an exception) just as I am certain that such laws don't prevent homosexuality they only serve discrimination and intolerance. if it's god's law you mean then It's also against god's law to eat shellfish or where polyester nylon mix shirts.

The bigotry on display here is really quiet breathtaking.

Yes I'm sure gay people are all confused about their choice of sexual attraction. What unbelievable drivel.

Warner: >>I'm also bigot too.<<

On the side of the good and the just then as always, then? I commend your honesty.

Gif,

>>do you feel you could choose to be gay<<

only if somthing was wrong with me, i.e in prison

ed,

>>You occupy the moral low ground<<

yet still have more morals than you.

Warner:

Stop hiding behind god as though it were an excuse. You know and I know religious people who are not bigoted on the issue of sexuality. If you are bigoted - that's down to you.

I'm not calling god bigoted, obviously. There is no god.

Re: Haggard.

I know what you were thinking.

That poor, poor man.

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>>You occupy the moral low ground
yet still have more morals than you.<<

He doesn't deny it.

Isn't pride supposed to be a sin? I seem to recall what doomed the proud in The Inferno was a love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour.