h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Betrayal is one of those things that humans really don't like. And that I would say is why they get so mad about it.

Hiding it doesn't mean they value the spouse, it might just mean they want to keep shagging both of them.

"Why if someone you say you love has upset you is it so often necessary for the hurt one to take some sort of revenge which does no one any practical good?"

I blame the Bible. I could wax apoplectic for page upon page about this, but I think i'll leave my comment at those first four words.

H.

*Having been a woman with whom a number of men have found temporary escape from unhappy relationships, I am not even slightly surprised he wanted a bit of R&R away from you. I am only surprised he stayed with you long enough to give you the chance to be such a melodramatic and abusive *

Nice! I don't think I have ever read a thread that has made me sadder than this one. The sanctimonious tone that runs through is quite something to behold. Someone did something very stupid (but not life threatening) to someone else, while in a highly fraught emotional state and half of hootoo comes down on them like a ton of bricks. Yes, superglue on the skin is going to cause problems, and I am not suggesting that makes for appropriate behaviour, but some of the comments that have poured forth from this admission are equally distasteful.

Apparently, men only stray when there is a shreiking harpey at home waiting for them. Sadly, in truth, some men just can't keep their flies fastened - it doesn't matter what their life is like at home, they'll just shag anything with a pulse without thinking of the consequences. Please note, I am not suggesting that all men are like this - far from it - but (sorry to say it chaps)the shaggers are out there.

If certain women should be unfortunate enough to be involved with one of these charmers - and genuinely have feelings for him, they may go over the edge when pushed hard enough. No, physically hurting another person is not a good thing, but sometimes mental and emotional torture can drive people to do things that they would never do if they were thinking rationally.

As for the outrage sparked by women tittering at revenge tales involving a straying spouse/partner - so what? The ultimate betrayal must be when your partner cheats on you. He is, after all, the one person you trust above all others, and most women (apart from those supplying the extra-curricular activity) can empathise with the person that sought revenge even if they felt the method was wrong.

As far as my take on revenge goes; I hope that those dear sweet souls that suffer from wandering d*ck syndrome get a nice uncomfortable dose of something unpleasant. Now that's Karma.

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Agreed. But what about those who later go on to boast about it on a public forum?


az

and those who congratulate them for doing so.

In my first post I was particularly talking about people who cold bloodedly anounce their chosen method of torture *before* they are cheated on and while they are not emotinally fraught.

Im sanctimonious.

Mostly call me a stupid immature idiot. I must be maturing a bit. only a bit mind

pne love

"As for the outrage sparked by women tittering at revenge tales involving a straying spouse/partner - so what? The ultimate betrayal must be when your partner cheats on you."

Hmm. "The ultimate betrayal". Dipping your wick somewhere else while maintaining the semblence of a relationship at home is "the ultimate betrayal", whereas pouring boiling wax on the person you claim to love while they sleep, causing them literally unimaginable physical pain and maiming them for life is an acceptable expression of emotion? And tittering at the tale is defensible?

All I can say is I hope I never meet you or anyone like you.

H.

Meanwhile, the person who boasted of Krazy-glueing her husband's dick to his leg has unsubbed.

az

sooo fellas with a penchant to wander all stay away from the crazy american chick with the krazy glue stashed in her pocket.




im jus kiddin


or am i?

no...i guess i wasnt

but all us monogemuenionsues (sp?) fellas are safe...right?

I'm picturing a TV show. The host is a man - Kilroy, say. The audience is mostly men. There's a woman in the chair on the stage at the front.

She tells a harrowing tale, beginning with her infidelity, and ending with her husband savagely raping and beating her to within an inch of her life.

The men in the audience chuckle audibly in mild amusement and the host tells her she basically had it coming, doesn't she think?

Can you even imagine the response that would get?

F**king double standards.

H.

or as i cant remeber who posted it but


it would seem acceptable in some circles to zany staple a chicks vagina shut



i mean i think of some rotten pranks and the such and although it in revenge none of them are harmfull to anyone but me (the other day i drank a bottle of soy sauce in a chineese all you can eat in the middle of the room because i beleive its all a conspiracy)


im gonna stop talking now im yet again not making a valid point

"all us [monogamous] fellas are safe...right?"

Wow, do you ever make massive assumptions.

1. That because you're monogamous, your partner BELIEVES you're monogamous.

2. That because you have never, ever given your partner any reason to believe you're other than 100% monogamous, she won't believe you're shagging anything you can get your hands on whenever you're out of her sight.

3. That because she has absolutely no *reason* to believe you've been unfaithful that she won't act on her irrational belief that you have been.

Possibly I don't make those assumptions because I've been unlucky in only ever encountering psychotically jealous irrational sociopaths, or possibly all women are like that and no man is safe. Hoo can tell? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't going to hit you in the head with a bottle while you sleep.

H.

Sorry but as this entire thread is becoming very unpleasant I'm going to unsubscribe.Frankly if we can't discuss this without personal remarks against other researchers I don't want to stick around.


Incog.

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Really?

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*sigh*


az

"or as i cant remeber who posted it but


it would seem acceptable in some circles to zany staple a chicks vagina shut"

that wasnt a bad remark the dude made he was simply telling the chick who made the comment about the dick it wasnt a very nice thing to do

i know not all women are like that.. and every lass ive been with has trusted me it was me being paranoid


i have very erm erm erm adventurous friends


and an extreme low self esteem dont help







i suppose i better say sorry for the crazy american chick comment in case i offended anyone


i have nothing against americans (as pointed out in my posts on the www americans thing) or crazies i jus think its highly unhilarious to glue some guys dick to his leg

As much as it pains me to do so (and it does) I have to take the side of the gluer in this instance, not least because I've heard first hand some of the myriad *other* crimes exacted upon her by this ex, which went far beyond infidelity and would have earnt him a lengthy prison sentence in many other circumstances, and a bullet in some.

Yup, she's melodramatic, abusive and spectacularly passive-aggressive. Tea culpa. I am too, and was engaged to her for a while so I've had moments with her; none of which fortunately involved adhesives but I've also had some of the most passionate and enjoyable experiences of kindness from her of my life too, which are a great deal of comfort to me at the moment and I'll never forget or regret, however bitchy I remain, and I do.

In isolated terms Little Mo's precision steam-iron to Trevor's head in Eastenders a few Christmases ago would have incensed anyone here, but witnessing the previous 6 months of her life the moment earned her a lot of understanding. I ask you to bear in mind that PC's story has many earlier chapters in which nothing you'd consider karmic was visited upon her.

I know she has plenty to work on in the impulse control department and it's up to her to do it. So do I, and I'm trying quietly - but while I've felt *much* the same, I can't ignore or respect any suggestion here that she will 'get hers' later on, with her own personal account of the many lifetimes of hurt that she 'earned' in the first place. No-one deserves to be hurt, but neither can most escape the feeling when they are that someone else should; it's not always the right person, or the right way, and sometimes it's not right at all, but it's always there, waiting for a person, or people to take it. So I'd like that to be remembered as I defend her from the benefit of close personal experience and despite my own feelings but all the same share Hoo's passion and invite you all now to gather together and work toward some plan for exterminating the Christian Right. Take care.

OH dear!

I am not talking about heat of the moment self defence acts.

Inever made persoanl comments other than calling a spade a spade.

researchers here congratulated another researcher on cold bloodedly taking arbitrary and illegal physical revenge upon another human being.

If it had been American soldiers super gluing the genitals of *proven* insurgents in Iraq, by that I mean people actually caught firing motars in to hospital compounds. People here would have been sayin that the super gluing was against the geneva convention and what about due process.

Yet if it is a woman on a man. it is not only OK to some but a cause for celebration.

My mother my sister and other women close to me have suffered domestic abuse of a serious nature. my sister to the point where she ended up living in a refuge. I took it upon myself to stick one on my sisters boyfriend. So I do understand the feelings and motivations.

Thing is I know it is a bad thing to do and would never say to anyone go on do it, its OK or well done.

Now Im not attacking anyone for doing what they have done but the hypocrits that can moan about violence one way yet celebrate it when it goes in the other direction deserve to be challenged about their attitudes.

one love

indeed

Cheating is mental and emotional torture? Isn't that quite an exaggeration? If someone is abusing their wife, cheating would probably come into it. If someone is regularly beating their wife, and emotionally torturing them, I could understand if the wife one day had had enough and put a bullet between his eyes. Not to get revenge, but to stop it. But having your husband occasionally "working late", I don't see how that could count as abuse. Hell, I doubt they are shouting it to the world most of the time, if nothing else to hold on to both. And I would not consider cheating to be "the worst form of betrayal". I think a lot worse could happen.

*Cheating is mental and emotional torture? Isn't that quite an exaggeration? If someone is abusing their wife, cheating would probably come into it. If someone is regularly beating their wife, and emotionally torturing them, I could understand if the wife one day had had enough and put a bullet between his eyes. Not to get revenge, but to stop it. But having your husband occasionally "working late", I don't see how that could count as abuse. Hell, I doubt they are shouting it to the world most of the time, if nothing else to hold on to both. And I would not consider cheating to be "the worst form of betrayal". I think a lot worse could happen.*

When did I mention abuse in the context that you suggest? Infidelity is an abuse of trust. Mental and emotional torture do constitute a form of abuse but why should these go happily hand in hand with physical abuse? Wife beaters are not automatically serial philanderers! If you are on the receiving end of a continual undermining of your confidence (for instance that your husband would sleep with someone behind your back), if you are consistently lied to, belittled and have your self-confidence whittled away by someone you love, I think that it pretty much amounts to emotional and mental torture.

If a couple agree to an open relationship - fine, but if people commit to monogamy it is a massive betrayal for the one (male or female) that has been cuckolded. As previously stated by others, betrayal is one of the hardest things for humans to come to terms with.

*Hmm. "The ultimate betrayal". Dipping your wick somewhere else while maintaining the semblence of a relationship at home is "the ultimate betrayal", whereas pouring boiling wax on the person you claim to love while they sleep, causing them literally unimaginable physical pain and maiming them for life is an acceptable expression of emotion? And tittering at the tale is defensible?*

I'm sorry - are you reading an invisible post from the magic pixies?At what point did I say that pouring boiling wax on someone was defensible? At no point have I said that physical violence is an appropriate reaction to anything. If people titter during a show like Kilroy - or indeed if they watch/participate in such unmitigated tripe they should realise that the studio audience will titter at anything that they are either uncomfortable with, or that that they agree with. I don't care if studio audiences titter at this type of thing or not - I personally do not find such tales funny, instead I find them repugnant and ultimately deeply sad for all concerned but then, as I don't watch this crap like you, I am still shockable about all sorts of things.

Finally, I do feel that "dipping your wick" (as you so tastefully put it) must be an ultimate betrayal - a betrayal of trust from the one person you should be able to trust implicitly. If people (male or female) have signed up to be monogomous then it a betrayal if they break that agreement. Sex may be a meaningless wick dipping to you, but for the grown-ups amongst us it is much more. When you get to be an adult you may be lucky enough to find this is the case.

*All I can say is I hope I never meet you or anyone like you. *

Likewise.



BTW - the reason for posting here originally was to try to diffuse the venom directed at the lady with the superglue. That is because like Chris, I also know of her life at the hands of her 'victim' and trust me, your ideas of "how would she like it if..." would be pleasant compared to what the bastard really did do to her.