h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Dont tell me strangely strange is your real name? LOL!

Do you all accuse people with the same views as being the same people? What a strange little forum this is!

However, we are not the same person sorry to disappoint.

Come on who do you think I used to be - Im thinking you must of changed your name as well since those days - it did used to be more fun and a lot more welcoming then tho.

I would also suggest that we keep dog bites and dog maimings seperate. Many dog bites are probably due to people treating dogs like shit. Many dog bites probably hardly break the skin. I saw some statistics, I think they were for the UK, which indicated that percentage wise labradors were behind most attacks.

So we cannot discuss how to kill dogs? If a dog attacked me, that is what I would want to know. As they say, there´s nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal. I could probably kick it or other such things, but I doubt that would make it any more pleasant towards me.

Having dogs on leashes is great. However I´ve seen enough 9 year old girls walking dogs twice their size to not be particularly comforted by it. If the dog decides to run, there is nothing the kid can do except get dragged or let go.

I'd just like to remind people that the BBC has to err on the side of caution when it comes to legal matters. I'm no legalbeagle so I don't know the law in detail with regards dogs etc, I doubt the mods are either. They most probably don't have a BBC lawyer on hand to inspect every little point made on this vast site.

Britain is notorious for being a nation that often cares more about dogs than people. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if some dog lover with a bee in their bonnet were to come along and try to take legal action against the beeb. And we all know how often the beeb have been in trouble lately for all the stuff about phone voting etc.

So I reckon they are erring on the side of caution.

If someone were to try to take the BBC to court because of what is said on h2g2; they'd close down this site before you could say, 'Give a dog a bone'.

I don't like all the yikesing anymore than the majority here. But I can see why the mods are doing it.

I believe I know who you are NOW, not who you claim to be in the past. A sockpuppet is a sockpuppet, is a sockpuppet.

Strangely: Can you just let that go?

'you' is used as an indefinite third person pronoun here. i didn't mean you in particular.

my point is that walking your dog on a leash to a place you can then let him run free is not any kind of imposition. the people who objected to it were the sort of people who thought calling the dog out to walk with them unleashed as they went to the shops to get some fags constituted exercise for the dog. all that is different is that on the streets the dog is leashed. safer for people. safer for your dog. safer for other dogs.

in a perfect world all dogs would be well trained and safe. everyone would pick up their dogshit. we don't live in a perfect world.

some dogs are very dangerous. if it saves only one kid from having their face ripped off, i am happy to leash my dog, along with every other dog, while on the street.

Because that thread wasn't about self-defence during a dog attack, but ways in which to hurt a specific breed someone had seen and taken umbrage against.

If you really want a proper discussion then go for it - A2248490 might be a good place because although old that entry will eventually be written up properly. The Researchers involved said I could take it over some time ago and I haven't had time yet.

Now Im really confused - you know who I am now? Is this just a way of getting people to stop posting here or what? I just dont get where you are coming from! Ive posted politely if ok against many of the views on here yet this weird form of attacks seems to come from nowhere. As I said this used to be a friendly if lively debating forum but no one tried the bullying tactics of "I know who you are". Strange indeed

the local legislation involves leashing on the street AND being under effective control. and as per an earlier posting, a larger percentage of dog bites are to the face and require surgery. i'm not sure, but i think to qualify as a bit, rather than a nip, it needs to break the skin and require treatment. by definition wounds that do not require treatment would never get counted.

I have no problem leash walking my dogs, its a legal requirement, and I totally agree with your post, of course its safer for all.

Oh and I pick up my dogs mess as well.

Yes, I'm sorry too. I still do what I can for the charity, but door-to-door collecting is out. But the point of this thread is defending yourself, not retraining dogs or owners. I was large enough to avoid being too badly hurt on this occasion, but a small child wouldn't have been so lucky, as you can read from the regular news reports.

While we allow dangerous dogs in our society we will always have to suffer dog attacks from time to time, so we need to be empowered to defend ourselves accordingly. This isn't an attack on well-trained dogs or their owners - it isn't an attack on anyone or anything. It's self-defence as a basic human right.

Mina: There´s a good reason why Rottweilers were mentioned. Perhaps poodles are more likely to attack you, but they are a lot easier to deal with. Also the kind of people who are likely to send their dog off to attack you, are likely to have rottweilers or pitbulls rather than chihuahas.

Tosh and nonsense as you well know, bullying my foot! As you well know I pointed out what was happening as have a low opinion of those who make up names to yikes and hide, if they really believe in something they should have the courage to say it under their usual user name.

But as I said Ive not posted on here in years so I doubt if you would recognise the user name I had then - it was lurcherloopy btw! Ive also not 'yiked' anything! I really dont understand your obsession with this at all.

Deed not breed. Yes, certain dogs may do more damage, but any dog any size can cause damage and pain, even death and as I've already said, a proper discussion about self defence is a lot different from listing ways to hurt an animal! Most of the suggestions would be impossible with a dog lunging at your throat anyway, so absolutely no use for self defence.

Okay, what would your suggestions be? Assuming a rottweiler sized dog.

Seeking out the truth old chap, if that is an obsesion then count me in gladly!

I suspect that the posts which did deal with those aspects were yikesed, which kind of kills this debate stone dead.

What would you suggest doing at close quarters?

Well thank you for still doing what you can - I have a neice with cerebal palsy.

The problem I think with these sort of threads is they become breed specific and has been said any dog can bite, not just specific breeds and even small dogs can cause damage - so where does BSL stop? Back to stats again but the dogs in question are way down the list of reported bites, they are not born bad, but made that way by people, the vast majority of these breeds are loving, docile pets with no more attitude than the next dog.

I think the point was made in an earlier post about 9 years walking dogs - now is that the dogs fault or the parents? IMO more education is required about what dog ownership is all about. Its also down to breeders to take more care where their dogs go. There is so much back yard breeding and puppy farming just because people want a dog, want a dog now, or want to make a few quid out of the dog they have.

I wouldn't suggest anything at this stage - I'm still researching information and I'd need to have a chat with one of the instructors at my training club first, but there is some information on the link I posted.