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i posted somethin on the other thread about how to use "bare hands" in defence which talked about using your bare hands to get a gun out of your pocket

i thought it was a bit funny. you might think its not funny. but if you think its not a JOKE then your a bit thick.

"iamdisgusted" is obviously just a troll with a thing for doggies and an attitude that would make mary whitehouse look like larry flynt.

dont feed the troll, people.

The thread's title was inflamatory.

There is a need to have information about how to deal with dogs behaving aggressively, yes, but the title and the first post was encouraging people to post details on how to hurt and main a specific breed of dog, that hadn't actually done anything anyway.

The people joining in the discussion were simply giving details of how they might be able to hurt a dog that was attacking them, there were no 'grown-up' posts that are now hidden - all the sensible ones are still there, nor were there any 'strong opinions' on the subject. Just how to hurt.

This subject has come up on h2g2 before, was handled in a much more appropriate manner, and there were no complaints!

in south australia dogs cannot be off leash in public except in designated dog exercise areas. the penalties are very severe. i am amazed in the 21st century that there are places that allow dogs off leash in public.

Why is that amazing? The chances of death by dangerous dog are less than death by lightning strike.

The media choses what it will and will not report. If it reported every death by dangerous driving, or even every road death then we'd all be amazed cars were allowed on the roads! The media also chose which details they will and won't report about each incident.

The vast amajority of dogs and their owners are responsible, just like any other segment of society. Unfortunately there are always idiots.

difference - cars are necessary. most people need a car to get to their job or even to do their job

unless your a policeman or a shepherd or a blind person, you dont need a dog any more than you need a shotgun

dont get me wrong dogs are allright apart from the smell and the hairs and the shit and piss evverywhere and the slobber and the diseases and the fleas and the noise i like them but i woulndt care if owning one was made illegal. its like passive smoking ecxept we dont even know if that reallly, really kills people and we KNOW dogs kill people

Cars aren't necessary at all. They are a luxury most of us won't do without. They aren't necessary, or we'd have all died out (or languished on the dole) in the hundreds of thousands of years before they were invented!

i posted somethin on the other thread about how to use "bare hands" in defence which talked about using your bare hands to get a gun out of your pocket

yes i can see how a post made about using a gun would be perfectly ok after all guns are a perfectly acceptable item that most people carry in their pockets!! Please read this in a sarcastic tone.. because clearly reality is not in your vocabulary. Foer the record I didn't report your post, never even saw it, though heres a hint.. the gun reference *probably* offended people!

i thought it was a bit funny. you might think its not funny. but if you think its not a JOKE then your a bit thick.

I suspect the relatives of every person ever murdered by a gun may not share your sense of humour on this one

"iamdisgusted" is obviously just a troll with a thing for doggies and an attitude that would make mary whitehouse look like larry flynt.

I would rather be considered that than some spotty teenager who thinks guns are cool

dont feed the troll, people.

unless it's biscuits, I'm quite partial to a digestive

I can take your personal insults all day long, i'm a grown up, but it's rather irrelevant to the subject in hand don't you think?

choleric. firstly, i doubt your claim re lightning. secondly, why restrict it to death? the dogs on leash thing was a response to growing public concern over dog attacks. these attacks were real whether the media drew attention to them or not. in my city of approx 1 million, we were not talking a handful of injuries per year, but hundreds, possibly 1000s if one assumes many attacks went unreported. i might also add that this increased control benefits the owners of properly trained dogs as well. poorly socialised dogs are frequently aggressive to other dogs.

the idea that dogs be offleash only in designated dog areas is no imposition whatever. if you are too lazy to walk your dog to such a park then you probably are not fit to own a dog in the first place.

designated dog areas are great. owners get to know each other. poorly trained dogs, or rather their owners, get shamed, and the incidence of public dogshit is now almost non existent. dogs become socialised.

and the weasel hipped psychos with attack dogs for the sake of their egos either keep the dog locked up, leashed, or lose them because they are not under control.

in a nutshell: it works.

Could you provide some stats on the level of dog attacks and how regular they are please - just to provide some substance to your statement - Many thanks

Yet another just made up name, well I Am Disgusted that people are hiding behind made up names and yikesing, etc!

About 200,000 dog bites occur each year in the UK.

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068877/

""iamdisgusted" is obviously just a troll with a thing for doggies and an attitude that would make mary whitehouse look like larry flynt."

Can I ask if people who have a 'thing' for dogs are not allowed an opinion on this site and all considered trolls? I think iamdisgusted has made some valid points and dont like to be told who I can or cant respond to. There have been complaints about the thread being locked or some of the responses hidden yet you feel perfectly justified in telling people not to respond to certain posters! Double standards or just a little peeved because someone has a different opinion to you?

Interesting, I make a post, it gets yikesed. I make the same post (more or less, I dont remember it word for word) here, and it doesn't... A trigger-happy index finger mayhap??? EIther way, I'm off. See you on some other threads... X

"firstly, i doubt your claim re lightning."

You may doubt it if you like, that's your choice, but you're wrong.

I didn't say dog BITES I said DEATHS caused by dogs.

While there is no international tracking of dog bites, many countries including Australia, Canada, Denmark, England, Hungary,and the United States have implemented restrictions regarding"dangerous dogs" to stem the attacks.

Dog bites are a major child-health problem in the United States,exceeding the total number of cases of measles, whooping cough,and mumps each year. Dog attacks are also one of the most commoncauses of severe facial lacerations in children. Each year,approximately 44,000 facial bites are reported in the U.S.;16,000 of them requiring plastic surgery.

http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0084.htm

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choleric. even so. i still doubt your claim that more people are killed by lightning than dogs each year.

Thank you for the stats - however they are for dog bites not savage attacks or do you think they are all bites to actually try to kill people? There are many reasons a dog might bite most are accidental so these stats should actually be read with some degree of understanding of dogs, also the actual number of dogs that are in the UK to make a comparison.

I would thank you for your polite reply and not accusing me of making up names or trolling. It appears I may have upset some of the clique on here.

Statistics, statistics, statistics. Does it really make a lot of difference? I am outside minding my own business when I or my wife or one of my children is attacked by some wild animal. It happens. People die or get maimed. Adults too.

If I lived in the Kenyan outback and it was a lion I'd curse my bad luck at not taking sufficient precautions to avoid it. But it isn't. It's the UK, or the US, or somewhere else with an advanced society. Maybe you can train the dogs, or their owners, but we're plainly not training them all, and do we really need to lose our children on a regular basis? We don't allow people to keep lions as pets, so why these dogs?

So it happens when I'm out. I'll defend myself and my wife and my children with any means at my disposal. I'll happily argue the methods if it gets to court, but when you read about those cases I posted earlier (and they're just the first few recent ones I found on the BBC News search engine), the dog's welfare is going to be the last thing on my mind.