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Given that among the areas scheduled to be severely affected are Southern California, "the Four Corners", and most of the midwest (America's breadbasket), where the artesian wells that keep it watered are rapidly emptying.

Noggin

Water is turning to gold in the west.
It is also rapidly becoming privatized.
It will be as important as oil and in less supply.
Peopel talk about clean water in most areas. Around here they talk about a shortage of water.

The people that Bush has placed in the E protection areas of oil, land, mines,gas,forrest and water are the current or wannabe owners of those same resources.
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Colorado water supplies most of the west.
We can use water outdoors 15 minutes per area ,twice a week.
All of Las Vegas, built in the desert and California is supplied by our water. They do not usually have water restrictions down stream.

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It has been said that Colorado voters will not vote in reservoirs for storage.
That is not true.
We will not OK reservoirs that are on "undisclosed private property" owned by the very rich and powerful.

As an example of how and why people vote-
It is painfully apparent we need water now.
People will read the *headlines or the title of the bill* and vote on that. Not the facts, not the details, the devil is in the details.

Remember Bushs clean air act?
Sounds good but unless you read it you do not know it is about lessening the clean air requirements.

Leave no child behind Act?
Unless you read it you think they care about the education of each child.

People do not read the facts, they do not write enough letters and they feel powerless whether they vote or not. It takes a great deal fo time to sort out the headlines and it is not a priority with most.

Sad truth;
Some Christians trust that Bush is a good CHristian because he dares to stand up to the abortion debate Some who want to be safe with little cost,feel he is a man of his word and belief because he will dare to do this. If they do not trust or care about the rest of the issues, abortion takes priority.
It is enough for some.
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I will never understand how you can claim to value life in the abortion issue but not otherwise. Not in the health of the already born ,not in their education, war , or the death penality.

Noggin

What ever happened to the separation of church and state? (Godben)


http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E23827%7E2106610,00.html?search=filter

The good news is it is on front page.
The bad news is in the content.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E29805%7E2104225,00.html?search=filter
Denying communion to some politicians?

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E53%7E2096995,00.html?search=filter
"A pro-choice Catholic candidate relegated them to the status of something less than "real Catholics," he wrote in his weekly column in the Denver Catholic Register."

I think all churches should be permanantly stripped of tax exempt status. Period.

The US is a scary place to live right now in so many ways, Azahar. If you can believe it, the atmosphere is less poison now than it was 2 years ago when John Ashcroft was telling us to be careful what we say. The horror is overwhelming if you spend much time thinking about it. Or if you are even marginally well informed. Americans prefer not to have to think so much. We are also, right now, motivated by fear and GWB and his popular media has used this to manipulate people.

That's a tiny bit of but I will have to stop here cause I'll get worked up and won't be able to make any sense at all.

This may be of interest here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

hi abbi,

So the 'best' choice is the lesser of two Christians. How did things get so crazy?


hi Hellbound,

Nice to see you again. Oh, go ahead and have a rant! I took one look at that link, shuddered, and had to close the page again. Now *that's* scary!


az

remember Billy Joel's "We didn't start the fire?"
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/wedidntvotefordubya/

I wonder if Alec still thinks we are making all this up and simply *believing in anything*.

It's been quite refreshing to get the viewpoints of other Americans who feel this whole 'fear campaign' is something real and something to be seriously worried about.

az

Like I said on another thread today, I'm surprised that nobody has made an assassination attempt on Bush yet. They killed Kennedy for much less.

Perhaps the real people who are running the US feel Bush is still necessary?

az

Ah. Conspiracy Hour.

It's a relief to see that the Christian Right are being blamed for things, instead of the Elders of Zion or the Illuminati.

Let's flag down a black cab and head for real street, just for a mo.

Despite George's environmental horrors, and his record in Iraq, most voters vote on the basis of their wallet contents.
This year, George's tax breaks put four grand in mine.
We paid a bunch of debts and bought the kids some clothes. Couldn't have done that otherwise. Four grand. It's bribery, plain and simple, but it's going to work. People feel wealthier. The Economy is improving, and considering that it slumped due to factors outside Presidential control it looks very much like Dubya is responsible for the recovery.

The opposition keeps shooting itself in the foot. I wish it wouldn't because George really does need to go.

What interests me about this thread is the anti-Christian feeling. Where did that come from, folks? Isn't tolerance important?

Tolerance is one thing, but I dont think that should deny people to make valid comments relating to their feelings about the actions or motives of a particular individual or group (though with groups it is always important not to be too sweeping with your accusations or judgements). As most of the people who are indentified to be to blame on this thread are self nominated as believeing in every last word of the bible I think they have put them self in the firing lines both by the choice of belief system and actions according to those beliefs.

one love

"Isn't tolerance important?"

I dunno, maybe you should ask the "christian right". Where were you when Pat Robertson blamed 9/11 on homosexuals, abortionists, feminists, pagans.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/nov_2000/falwell_911.htm

Here's another link. Warning to all, it is not for the faint-of-heart.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/

These are the people who are supporting Bush. I will not shrink from exposing GWB's strong alliance with them. I do not consider them part of the Christian mainstream. It does seem to tne that the Christian mainstream is not speaking up very loudly if it disagrees with the right, while the Christian right proports to BE the mainstream.

I agree that people should be alowed to comment as their conscience and beliefs guide them.

But, and I just want to check my understanding before I say anything else, are you also going on to say that adopting a moral code and then living as that code dictates is inviting criticism?

"These are the people who are supporting Bush"

Lots of people support Bush. Those comments are by no means representative of all of them. The French Government has declared its support for John Kerry. That would be the group who sank 'Rainbow Warrior'. Does this mean that all Democrats hate environmental pressure groups?

See Blicky's comment on making sweeping declarations.

I think everything is up for discussion. Do you know anything or anyone that is above critiscism?

Where would we be if ideas and moral codes were considered beyond critiscism?

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Well, that's nice. I wonder what will be in store for you next year?

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Really? Can you let us know where that has officially been stated?

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What always interests me is how fundamentalist Christians go way out of their way to attempt to deny people basic human rights and personal choices, based solely on their religious beliefs.

I'm not anti-Christian. However, I am quite seriously *anti* any group that sees itself as superior and having the final word on what should be law when they also say this is the Word of God.

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Certainly. And happily everyone here has the personal freedom to speak their mind.

You.

And also me.

And everyone else.

az

I think that it can be dangerous to make blanket criticism of anything.
I think saddling 'born again' Christians with the blame for Bush's policies is perhaps a little harsh. I think that if you replaced the word 'Christian' with the name of a less well represented group in certain posts on this thread there might have been a bit of Yikes-ing.

But you are right, Blicky, any ideology worth following should be able to stand up to a little critiquing.