h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

it's a good question though, I mean I imagine the gruesomes trying to rebel against me: colour their hair? I've had the rainbow and then some. Piercings: I pierced every part of my ears possible on long boring sundays at school. Tattoos: yep, I have some. Drugs... ok, with drugs they could shock me, but since me and my mum used to smoke the cannabis my grandad grew on his allotment...

yes, they could become very prim, do their homework and take out a pension at age 21.

I was 22 when I started my pension

My mum pretty much allowed us to do anything we liked...but she asked us not to get into drugs. And because she asked (and didn't order) we never bothered.

mum

Enough with you old people being resentful.

Every age has it's pluses and minuses
No since resenting being older< If the alternative is unattractive, then you've done something right!

"One interesting thing I've noticed is that the pro-life people are also often the people who will defend to the death their right to bear arms,"

Very true. My philosophy is "Shoot the bad guys. Protect innocent life."

"with which they are statistically far more likely to shoot their own relatives than defend themselves (although always take statistics with a pinch of salt),"

So you're saying I shouldn't have the right to bear arms because other people are irresponsible with their weapons?

"or the death sentence."

Like I said, "Shoot the bad guys. Protect innocent life." That basically sums it up.

"Also, they tend to scapegoat "liberals" for everything. Not that I respect liberals any more than any other politicians you understand - every liberal is a closet aristocrat as the saying goes."

Shrug. Anti-bush/liberal/pro-abortion/pro-homosexual seems to be synonomous with the Democratic party these days over here in the US.
Nerd42

http://www.now.org/issues/abortion/dxanalysis.html

(getting back to the original thread)

btw, Nerd, don't you think there are a lot of sweeping generalisations in your post? For one thing, I don't think the right to bear arms is being restricted by the government having a list of who has them. And your definition of the Democrats seems a bit broad. Not to mention *the bad guys*- they are defined by the same legal system that has found capital punishment unethical and morally reprehensible in many countries and states.

It's clear we're never going to agree on social policay, Nerd, as I'm proud to say I'm a liberal Socialist, and the NHS is the *only* thing that makes me proud of my country.

"So you're saying I shouldn't have the right to bear arms because other people are irresponsible with their weapons?"

Basically yes.

Have you noticed that we have far less murders per capita than you do?

I think that we all have to make scarfices for the good of the majority, and not bearing arms should be one of them.

Z- I bet you pronounce that *Zed*

But in which country that do you do that in?

Bad guys: Shall I make a list? Terrorists, murderers, rapists, ect. People who have killed or seriously injured other people wrongly on purpose. (outside of military or police work, duh!) There must be a better definition than that somewhere in my head, but it has failed to come to light at the moment. There is probably a Guide entry on "the bad guys" somewhere, but I'm too lazy to search for it at the moment.

Being general about "the bad guys": That is very true. Categorizing things into Good and Evil is very general.

"For one thing, I don't think the right to bear arms is being restricted by the government having a list of who has them"

Hmm.

I didn't say that it's bad to keep a list of people who have bought guns.

I don't even remember mentioning the phrase "right to bear arms" here.

I am saying the REASON our founding fathers put the right to bear arms in there was not just to allow hunting, (though that is a good thing) but to allow the people to protect themselves from each other and the government. Governments can and do go out of control and start to seriously hurt people, just look at Hitler or Stalin or other dictators.

So I seriously start to wonder why anti-gun people want us to keep a list of who has guns and who doesn't, when simply requiring ID and a criminal background check before purchasing guns would have the same affect on crime. So if I were in Congress, I would probably vote against keeping such a list, though that's not something I take a really strong stand on, though I'm all for the right to keep and bear arms.

Nerd42

*I don't even remember mentioning the phrase "right to bear arms" here.*

Hello? Your post 182?

Sorry. 186

Completely take away the right to bear arms?
There's no way that any such thing will stop criminals from aquiring weapons, though it WOULD stop decent law abiding citizens from getting them!

Taking away the right to bear arms AND ending capital punishment would start a wave of voilent crimes the likes of which have never been seen before, because capital punishment puts the fear of the police into the criminal, and they WILL find a way to get guns no matter what you do.

So the only person who comes off badly in this exchange is the law abiding citizen who can no longer defend him/herself.

And if you honestly believe that you could overthrow the US government with a militia, you are living in the wrong century.

Ah, yes. I see it now.

Are you checking the backlog here at all? You don't seem to know what either one of us have said. I have not said *Completely take away the right to bear arms* Are you posting from another conversation or something?

Overthrough the government with a militia?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I said protect yourself not overthrow the government. Escape the country or something. That's not my point, you silly.

Wow, we're like totally getting off the original thread. Nobody's been able to answer my challenge yet, have they?

I was just now replying to other people yeah, what were you saying?

*...to allow the people to protect themselves from each other and the government. Governments can and do go out of control and start to seriously hurt people...*

How, then if not by revolution or armed revolt?

Ahhh. Right.

So, soldiers are the good murderers.

And everyone else are the bad murderers.

That makes sense!?