A Conversation for Ask h2g2

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Post 16241

Gnomon - time to move on

I merely inserted a non-breaking hyphen, which only appears if the word is at the end of a line and needs to be broken to put part of it on a new line. This only works in Internet Explorer on my PC (Alt + 0173).


-ves

Post 16242

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

It came out as a black diamond with a white question mark
on my machine. The other solution used by Cheerful Dragon
- using a capital letter in middle - seems like it might
prove to be a good general filther-beater.
smiley - dragonsmiley - ok
I'd try a few tests of known offensive words but if they
went through you'd all be offended and I'd be embarrassed.
smiley - erm
~jwf~


-ves

Post 16243

Recumbentman

Not a capital letter but a zero. Tedious, the need for such work-arounds.


-ves

Post 16244

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - bigeyes
Oho! Naught an O but a big zer0.
Well that's pretty creative.
smiley - ok
It's not gonna work with a lotta other banned words th0.
Po0p! P0op! P00p!
Then again smiley - erm some other numbers look like 7etters.
smiley - winkeye
~jwf~


-ves

Post 16245

Gnomon - time to move on

~jwf~, I know you don't like personal questions, but are you using Internet Explorer on a Windows machine?


-ves

Post 16246

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Hey, nobody likes personal questions as much as I do!
smiley - ok
Just don't ask for my opinions on controversial subjects
like politics, racism, sexual liberation, religion or science
- cus I'll probably talk your ear off and get myself
moderated to boot. (Hetero-male chauvinist agnostic
with a fondness for the good old days -ie: 17th century-
pre-industrial revolution values and small cigars.)

I'm using Firefox on a Vista powered e-Machine laptop PC.
The language/keyboard setting defaults to US-English and
the spellcheck drives me nuts with its ignorance of how
English is spelled/spelt. Pound signs and many other marks
simply turn into black diamonds with white question marks.

But nothing as bad as the #@39s we all get in Barlesque!
(Sometimes, I post from a library where I can use Firefox
on a later Windows platform but seem to get stuck in
Barlesque so I apologise for those messes.)

smiley - cheers
~jwf~


A milestone in the history of literacy

Post 16247

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Worth noting that the Guttenberg Galaxy is losing its grip
and slipping into an purely electronic 'virtual' reality:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/worlds-last-typewriter-plant-stops-production-124746444.html

Curiously I have just had a coincidental windfall of three
antique typewriters from a friend clearing out their 'junk'.
Happily the ribbons are brand new since I doubt these will
be available anywhere much longer.

smiley - cheers
~jwf~



A milestone in the history of literacy

Post 16248

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

Like most of the whirled news agencies I reported
on the demise of the typewriter, perhaps prematurely.

Tonite, on NBC Nightly News they reported getting calls
from a variety of sources claiming that typewriters are
still being manufactured. No specifics on where and NBC
offered only a half-hearted apology for their own lack
of due diligence in repeating the story they'd found in
The Atlantic magazine.

I happily recant the histrionic claim and applaud the
continued Life of the manual typewriter - a wondrous
marriage of man and machine that produced probably the
best writing ever done in the English language. (Ernest
Hemingway, who typed standing up, notwithstanding.)

smiley - biro
~jwf~


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16249

You can call me TC

New subject.

I was extremely relieved to hear from my youngest at the weekend after his first stint in Chiapas. He stayed in a sort of rural shanty-town village, which is inhabited both by local zapatistas and pro-government types. The "Internationals" (of which he is one) are supposed to act as a stabilising factor in this volatile mix. They were 5 Germans and one Italian.

The Italian and my son are apparently, both similar in appearance in that they have very hairy faces (and both being young, their beards will be pretty dark). And my son has dreadlocks. They are known as 'the hairy ones', and there seems to be an adequate supply of nicknames for this sort of person in the local languages. In Spanish, they are known as the "bigotes" - as this, apparently, means moustache.

So - is there really a connection between the Spanish word for moustache and the English word "bigot"??


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16250

You can call me TC

Oh dear - I hope I haven't implied that my son is a bigot! Far from it. His volunteering to do this time in Mexico should be sufficient evidence of his opinions.


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16251

Pit - ( Carpe Diem - Stay in Bed )

TC, there might be a connection,but mentioning it I might be the macho I am. A daughter with a beard, ie rather ugly. They ended up as nuns.


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16252

Pit - ( Carpe Diem - Stay in Bed )

smiley - winkeyeAnd your son, and being in Mexico...un beso sin bigote es como una tortilla sin sel.


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16253

~ jwf ~ scribblo ergo sum

smiley - towel

Dictdotcom quotes the Online Etymological Dictionary:

>>
Word Origin & History
bigot
1590s, from Fr. bigot (12c.), in O.Fr. "sanctimonious;" supposedly a derogatory name for Normans, the old theory (not universally accepted) being that it springs from their frequent use of O.E. oath bi God. Plausible, since the Eng. were known as goddamns in Joan of Arc's France, and during World War I Americans serving in France were said to be known as les sommobiches (see also son of a bitch). But the earliest French use of the word (12c.) is as the name of a people apparently in southern Gaul (which led to the now-doubtful, on phonetic grounds, theory that the word comes from Visigoth ). Sp. bigote "mustache" also has been proposed as a source, though the sense is not adequately explained.
<<

"Not adequately explained"?

TC's mustache theory sounds good to me. smiley - ok
The linking to 'goddamns' sounds to easy, too convenient, too modern.
The usage is much older, from a time when the Normans were still
bearded Viking types.

smiley - cheers
~jwf~


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16254

Pit - ( Carpe Diem - Stay in Bed )

godon - goddamn is quite reasonable. "Bistro" for a place where Russian soldiers could illegally buy a bistroy=quick drink (no idea about the spelling) is another one.


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16255

You can call me TC

I rather go for the Bigod (by God) theory, as people with unmovable and stubborn viewoints would no doubt have peppered their conversation with such expletives for emphasis.

Which presents the question - perhaps the Spanish word comes from that, and not vice versa. BUT - If so, why? - surely the Mexicans and Spanish would have been great sporters of moustaches, so why should they choose a nickname for English people which pointed out their moustaches? Hmmm


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16256

You can call me TC

I don't really mean "English", do I? I think the word, as described by my son, generally refers to unshaven gringos.


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16257

Rudest Elf


"perhaps the Spanish word comes from that, and not vice versa" smiley - ok

According to Spanish etymological dictionaries, the Spanish word for moustache, bigote, *is* thought to come from 'bi Got!' http://www.elcastellano.org/palabra.php?q=bigote

"En un trabajo de 1968, el académico Rafael Lapesa afirmaba que bigote debía su origen al bi Got [proferido por unos guardias suizos que participaron en la Reconquista de Granada] y que habían llegado a España en 1483, una fecha perfectamente compatible con el registro de Nebrija arriba mencionado."

[uttered insultingly by the Swiss troops who took part in the reconquest of Granada...]


Perhaps the English word for a gentleman's hairdresser comes from the Spanish word for beard, barba'. smiley - tongueout

smiley - reindeer


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16258

Gnomon - time to move on

It does indeed, or rather from the French word for beard, barbe.


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16259

Rudest Elf


However, the pronunciation is similar to the Spanish word, not the french. smiley - smiley

smiley - reindeer


Moustaches have opinions?

Post 16260

Gnomon - time to move on

Well, in French up to recently, barbe would be pronounced bar-buh.


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