h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Not many can, because most of them are zelots





i was restrained there because i did not want to offend a specific group, you know who it could have been warnerpeace off

yes course they can. in fact they have a rational answer for everything - including that big one! Interseted?

marvin the dog

Warner, I've finally seen some enlightenment in your posts.

"I copied it from the BBC Christian messageboard"

This means you're fully aware of the BBC Christian Messageboard. Now we just need to hope that your divine guidance leads you back there, rather than coming here to do another lap of your circular argument.

Does the flood of people simply posting to your comments not give you the tiniest inkling that perhaps the denizens of this forum are sick and tired of this constant stream of theological sputum?

zealot: "a member of a fanatical sect arising in Judea during the first century a.d. and militantly opposing the Roman domination of Palestine".

And blow me, if the Romans don't turn around a couple of centuries later and do the same thing themselves.

It seems to me, that the Romans either became irrational ( ), or they were onto something bigtime ..
Peace

yes warner and finish the explination of what a zelot is in the context of the 21st century, not just cherry pick bits about 2000 years ago

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Faithers have a really hard time being rational for extended periods of time.

On the one hand they think their special friend in the sky is the most powerful being ever and will give them eternity in paradise if they act right and have faith.

Then lods of them fall of the wagon.

How rational is that?

They let themselves get tempted from the most wonderful path and gifts imaginable for mere eathly pleasures. If what they allege were true it would be totally irrational to turn your back on the bigG and yet it happens.



Get this though the ones who doont want to turn their backs on Him (like you do Warner) think they need to go to his special place on Sunday and support each other.



You need a support grooup for that? He's supposed to be everywhere you look, inside your heart and talking to you from heaven but you still need to go and but the rug or waive a tambourine about to keep you on track.

And that's your idea of rational?


Now you dont have to follow my idea of rational but you might try to think about this if the bigG wanted people to follow Him and wanted people not to follow the devil why doesnt he make the devil slightly less good at tempting people.

Knowing all things the bigG must be able to see just how many people will get corrupted by sin and sent to hell. So no amount of praying or indeed not praying for the bigGs help will make any difference it is already set, just who is strong enough to resist and who will succumb to the devil's temptations.

or ist all rubbish and not one who buys that steaming pile of twaddle is capable of being truly rational.

I dont like to be picky (who am I kidding, of course I do...) but without a decently tempting devil, who else could be blamed for everything???

And besides, He's so good at temptation because he started out as an angel or something... Or at last that's the dirty rumour I heard...

Depends on which religion you believe! A fallen angel is really only possible if angels have free will, which in Islam and Judaism they do not.

I just thought that Lucifer/the devil etc was a balancing force.

Every religion/origin story etc I've ever heard has a balancing force. Now, in the norse pantheon it was just an element of chaos (mischief) because death and so on is all part of life and the gods weren't entirely (or at all) infallable, so their balancing force didn't need to be quite so aggressively opposite to the 'good' that a christian god claims. When you have such an extreme symbol of good, and a concept of evil, you need something to represent the absolute good of god, and it's opposite extreme.

Evil itself is, of course, a created belief... Life and death are natural cycles along with illness and even things like selfish motivations. Which is why, I think, most of the religions and stories I have heard dont *really* have a sense of evil. Destruction, death and illness etc are all represented, but not generically labelled under a 'bad' label.

I think it's interesting that the gods in polytheistic religions are all so one-dimensional, like they're aspects of one person. Or just not terribly well-developed characters

Indeed which expands on my point.

If Christians accept that a unviverse created by a loving creator is a reflection of Him then everything bad that happens, including the dvil and hell must also be a reflection of or a direct product of what their almight wants. Then how can this God fella be good if he created so much evil and condemns people he made falliable who fall for thraps He made to eternal torment.

Other theists pick and choose which apects of hunman nature or wider nature are represented by gods in a laughably arbitary fashion which denies the divinty they claim to be at the core of their beliefs.

So individual mountains have spirits, eagles do too, but you dont hear much about earth worm spirits or the Marianas Trnch spirits because these arent col or obvious enough to get much attention from the people making such stuff up as easy explanations for some of the bewildering stuff nature throws at us. Which is illogical because if spirits are going to be above mortal concerns why are they so caught up in the things that feature prominently to us humans and not above all our parochial fretting?

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Careful Taff. You dont want to go getting modded over someone you disagree with so much... 'E aint wurf it!

Taff, that's not the way to debate. It's just being childish and not in the least constructive. Don't lower yourself to the level of that kind of argument.

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*repeat until calm*

'I need less . I need less '

br robyn and mal thank you for your support

i apologise for any offence i have caused

I'm getting out of here. You're just turning it into a flame now.

God, not another religion thread, can we have badges that say "Don't start religion threads near us"? Maybe a group thing would we better.